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Quillette Podcast 16 – Matthew Goodwin on Brexit, Trump and the rise of national populism

Quillette‘s Toby Young talks to Matthew Goodwin, professor of politics at the University of Kent and co-author of National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberalism, about Brexit, Trump, the rise of national populism in Europe and America, and what its impact is likely to be on the future of social democracy.


  1. Heike says

    It just bugs the living crap out of me how populists are treated as some sort of space alien by our betters. It’s like these invaders came in and started wrecking our lovely neoliberal system that did SO well wrecking our own lives. At no point are our hopes and dreams discussed, or do we enter into the equation at all. Our interests are not considered and those of us who manage to raise our issues are angrily dismissed. And everyone wonders at the great mystery of why anyone votes for populists. Must be those dirty foreigners who did this.

    Anyone who does take a look at the “problem” does so by first donning a full-body protective suit and examines us through laboratory slides. The idea that we might be real people who have been ill-treated by our (excuse me, your) political systems is an alien concept.

    We are controlled by globalists who care nothing for us. We have our own lives, hopes, and dreams, but we are sacrificed in a maelstrom of violence, fighting wars we will never benefit from, and being thrown upon the Altar of Political Correctness for all time as kindling wood for the fire that will never heat us.

    • Peter says

      When, in the simple language of the Twittersphere and the like, populist=nationalistic racist and liberal=social justice globalist, then the conversation is still born.

      I see the problem as this: we do not choose the country in which we are born, and most of us do not choose the country in which we live. This can lead to groups, cultures and nations putting up physical or cultural barriers to those who do not have the luck to be born in one of the ‘desirable’ fortunate countries. This protectionism and acclamation of one’s own is populism at its worst.

      The working class have genuine cause for grievance since they have seen their lives impaired by the transfer of work overseas, but this has benifitted the poor globally, lifting millions off and away from the poverty line. How do we resolve this?

      On the matter of culture, immigration, race and so on, perhaps we should all take a deep breath and remember the veil of ignorance when it comes to making decisions or judgements.

  2. Humperdinck says

    I don’t know if anyone at the Quillette podcasting team tried to listen to this episode ahead of publishing it, but the audio is mixed to a shockingly low volume. Tried to listen to it while walking outdoors, full volume with headphones, and could barely hear a thing.

    On the plus side I get to listen to it again, but please make sure the volume is turned up next time!

  3. Setpentine says

    yes same experience here … I cannot hear the podcast at max volume. I can hear others well with the same equipment. Thanks

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