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Brotopia—Analysis and Review

A review of Brotopia: Breaking Up the Boys’ Club of Silicon Valley by Emily Chang. Portfolio (February 2018) 320 pages. 

Brotopia: Breaking up the Boy’s Club of Silicon Valley by Emily Chang subjects the software business to vigorous criticism. The dust jacket claims Silicon Valley is a “Brotopia” where “men hold all the cards and make all the rules.” Women are “vastly outnumbered” and face “toxic workplaces rife with discrimination and sexual harassment” where apparently “investors take meetings in hot tubs and network at sex parties.”  Her call to action is to break up the “boy’s club” and establish gender parity in software.

Alas, such argument as the book offers is colourful mud-slinging on the basis of anecdotes. The book does not support its claims with any statistical or causal analysis. When such analysis is done Chang’s claims can be dismissed as lurid gossip based on harmful stereotypes.

Employment Complaint Statistics in California

Every year the Department of Fair Employment and Housing (DFEH) publishes an annual report that gives figures on employment and housing complaints within the State of California. Figures are given by county. I examined the annual report over the last four years to see if Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County) was a “hot spot” for complaints. I took the figures for each county over the past four years (2014-2017) and divided them by the population of the county as reported in the 2017 US Census estimate. This gives a figure for complaints per capita per annum. The results are in Table 1.

The first row is Santa Clara County. The next eight make up the other counties of the San Francisco Bay Area. Then I provide a total for the Bay Area followed by data on Los Angeles and a few other large counties in California.

County 2017 Population

(‘000s)

Average Complaints Per Year (2014-2017) Complaints Per Year Per Million Inhabitants
Santa Clara 1,938 514 265
Alameda 1,663 731 440
San Francisco 884 555 628
Contra Costa 1,147 413 360
San Mateo 771 281 364
Solano 445 176 396
Sonoma 504 154 306
Marin 261 109 418
Napa 141 51 362
Total San Francisco Bay 7,754 2719 351
Los Angeles County 10,164 6314 621
Orange County 3,190 1428 448
San Diego 3,338 1125 337
Sacramento 1,531 886 579
San Bernadino 2,157 827 383

Table 1: DFEH complaints per million inhabitants

Santa Clara County contains San Jose and Palo Alto, the main centres of Silicon Valley. It is where you will find Stanford University, the head offices of Apple, Google and firms spawned by the “Paypal Mafia” (Paypal, Tesla, LinkedIn, Palantir) whose “meritocracy” is much maligned by Chang. As the data indicates, there is no indication that employment and housing complaints are particularly heavy there. On the contrary the data shows that Silicon Valley generates a complaint rate that is relatively low.

Complaints regarding sexual harassment and discrimination make up around 15 percent of DFEH complaints. The other 85 percent relate to housing and discrimination on the basis of factors other than sex such as race, disability, and so on. On the face of it, there is no obvious support in the data for Chang’s suggestion that Silicon Valley is some kind of “black spot” generating far more than its fair share of complaints due to being filled with “toxic workplaces rife with discrimination and sexual harassment.” When you apply the figure of 15 percent to 265 you get 40 complaints per year. This is 40 complaints too many, of course. Ideally there should be no complaints. One can also plausibly argue that sexual discrimination and harassment are under-reported. However, the point I am making here is not that there is no sexual discrimination or harassment in Silicon Valley. The point is simply that the complaints data does not suggest that Silicon Valley is “rife” with sexual discrimination and harassment or worse than California more generally. On the contrary, Silicon Valley seems better than average.

It is worth noting that the complaints data is categorized by the county of residence of the complainant. So, for example, a coder who lived in Napa but worked at Google or Apple and made a complaint would appear in the Napa statistics not the Santa Clara statistics. Even so, when one compares the whole San Francisco Bay Area to other metropolitan areas such as Los Angeles, Orange County and Sacramento, the complaint rate is still relatively low.

There is also a federal agency, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) that handles complaints. If applicable, complaints made in California are dual-filed with both federal (EEOC) and state (DFEH) agencies under work-sharing agreements. However the reports available on the EEOC website do not provide a county-level breakdown, only a state-level one. According to the EEOC website, 373 charges for sexual harassment were filed in California in 2017. When one divides the number of EEOC complaints regarding sexual harassment by state population, California ranks 36 out of the 50 US states. The top five states for sexual harassment on a per capita basis in 2017 were Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Arkansas.

Female Refugees from Software

Chang argues that the “boy’s club” of Silicon Valley needs to be broken up. She paints a picture of what you might term “female software refugees” using some vivid anecdotes. The underlying themes are that a stereotype of software aptitude was created to exclude women, women do not get enough credit, women are passed over for promotion, women are not taken seriously, women start-up founders are not backed by venture capitalists. Overall, Chang claims, women are driven out of software or denied opportunity by male discrimination and harassment.

Chang does not consider any alternative theses that might cause gender disparities in occupational sectors.

For example, to explain why relatively few men nurse and relatively few women code it is not, in my view, necessary to postulate the hypotheses of patriarchy (systematic male oppression of women) and sexism (systematic male discrimination against women) as exclusive, main or even significant causes of low female participation in software. One can turn to traits well-known to psychology documented in books published over a decade ago such as Susan Pinker’s The Sexual Paradox and Simon Baron-Cohen’s The Essential Difference. People are free to choose their occupation based on their skills and their interests. It so happens relatively few women like coding and relatively few men like nursing. It is not that women can’t code and men can’t nurse. It is just that they choose to do other things.

Gender Parity Statistics in the United States

Chang’s “fix” to the problem of female software refugees who are put off entering the “pipeline” of software or who quit the “leaky bucket” prematurely due to male malevolence is to break up the “boy’s club” of Silicon Valley. Alas, she provides no plan as to how this major workforce change will be achieved. Nor does she offer any justification as to why the “boy’s club” of software engineering should be broken up while “girl’s clubs” like nursing, elementary school education, psychology, and human resources management should be left as they are. Most importantly, Chang shows no awareness that gender parity is the exception not the rule in the US workplace. She assumes that gender parity in software engineering is right and should be implemented. She argues that lack of parity in software is due to male malevolence, exclusion, and bias.

I define ‘parity’ and related notions such as ‘female majority’ and ‘male dominant’ to categorize gender equality (or the lack of it) in occupational sectors as shown in Table 2.

Classification Women %
Male dominant 0-19.99
Male majority 20-39.99
Parity 40-59.99
Female majority 60-79.99
Female dominant 80-100
Insufficient data ?

Table 2: Gender equality classifications used in this article

The US Department of Labor provides a report which lists occupational sectors and gives a percentage of the women working in each sector that has more than fifty thousand workers. The 2017 report lists 535 occupational sectors. These are arranged into five overarching categories as shown in Table 3.

Occupation Total employed (000s) Women % Classification
Management, professional, and related occupations 60,901 51.6 Parity
Service occupations 26,751 56.6 Parity
Sales and office occupations 33,566 61.3 Female majority
Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations 14,193 5.1 Male dominant
Production, transportation, and material moving occupations 17,927 22.8 Male majority
Total, 16 years and over 153,337 46.9 Parity

Table 3: US Labor Department employment figures by gender

When one drills into the 535 occupational sectors and applies the classifications in Table 3 we arrive at Table 4.

Classification of occupational sectors by gender equality Sectors Workers

(millions)

Female dominant 42 25.6
Female majority 68 28.7
Parity 72 29.7
Male majority 57 32.6
Male dominant 92 32.8
Total sectors where female participation is recorded 331 149.4
Insufficient data 204 3.9
Total 535 153.3

Table 4: Occupational sectors by gender equality classifications

Of the 331 occupational sectors, having at least 50,000 workers in them, where female participation is recorded, only 72 (21.8 percent) have parity. 78.2 percent do not.

Looking at the numbers of workers, rather than the number of sectors, we find that the labour force in sectors with parity makes up 19.9 percent of the total where female participation figures are given.

Either way, in round numbers, only 1 in 5 people in America works in an occupational sector that has gender parity.

Parity, in short, is the exception not the rule.

Root Causes of Gender Disparity

This leads to various questions. What are the root causes of gender disparity in occupational sectors in general? What, if anything, should be done about gender disparity? What causes disparity in software in particular? What, if anything, should be done about gender disparity among software developers and computer programmers who collectively are only 19.3 percent female? What, if anything, should be done about gender disparity in psychology (68.9 percent), nursing (89.9 percent) and preschool and kindergarten education (97.7 percent)?

It has to be said, if there is a chronic bias in hiring it is happening on the watch of a female majority occupational sector. Human resources (HR) is a “girl’s club” at both management (70.8 percent) and worker levels (72.1 percent).

Answers to the general questions can be found in the psychology literature (e.g. Pinker and Baron-Cohen). As for the more specific software questions, I would say writing software suits systemizing, deep introverts with high intelligence, single-mindedness, grit, tenacity and a degree of obsession. You can survive in software with less empathy than a retail sales clerk in a clothing store. Provided that you are conscientious and can code, you can get away with a high degree of “mindblindness” and a lack of social graces. If you can write bug-free algebraic code that compiles and meets requirements, your personal quirks and inadequacies can be worked around. Po Bronson’s wonderful The Nudist on the Late Shift provides some colourful examples of the psychological idiosyncrasies found at the extremes of the talent distribution among coders. Such traits are more common in males. The root causes are 1) fetal testosterone and all that goes with it in terms of trait distributions between the sexes; 2) cultural factors that amplify sex differences; and, 3) free choice of occupation.

It is far from clear to me that software has a problem. Even if you assume that gender disparity in occupational sectors is bad and is not the natural result of men and women making choices based on their talents, aptitudes and interests, software is far from being the worst offender.

Most other branches of engineering employ fewer women than software. Civil (14.4 percent), mechanical (9.2 percent), electrical (12.3 percent), chemical (16.9 percent) and aerospace engineering (8.9 percent) all have lower rates of female participation than software (19.3 percent). Indeed, some areas related to software engineering achieve gender parity as I have defined it. For example, database administrators are 40.6 percent female. Others do reasonably well. For example, there are more female web developers (32.3 percent) than there are male psychologists (31.1 percent) and 38.9 of computer systems analysts are female. Software runs rings around carpentry (2.2 percent) and plumbing (2.2 percent).

The top five occupational sectors in terms of male domination are: Roofers (0.6 percent); electrical power line installers and repairers (0.6 percent); brick masons, block masons, and stone masons (0.7 percent); cement masons, concrete finishers, and terrazzo workers (1.0 percent); and automotive body and related repairers (1.1 percent).

Writing software is not even in the top 50 occupational sectors ranked by male dominance. For some reason (probably historic), the US Labor Department distinguishes between “computer programmers” (21.2 percent) and “software developers, applications, and systems software” (18.7 percent). Merging these two fields, I get an aggregate of 19.3 percent. Software sits alongside other male dominated fields such as dishwashers (19.5 percent), couriers and messengers (19.4 percent) and taxi drivers and chauffeurs (18.9 percent). Chang says nothing about breaking up those “boy’s clubs.”

In terms of female domination the top five sectors are: Speech-language pathologists (98.0 percent); preschool and kindergarten teachers (97.7 percent); dental assistants (95.9 percent); secretaries and administrative assistants (95.0 percent) and dental hygienists (94.9 percent).

The five most evenly balanced sectors are counter and rental clerks (48.9 percent), lifeguards and all other protective service workers (49.6 percent), optometrists (50.2 percent), “sales and related workers, all other” (50.3 percent), and advertising sales agents (50.4 percent).

Gender disparity is far from unusual, occurring in four out of five occupational sectors. Chang makes no complaint about gender disparity in female dominant fields. However, if the goal of achieving gender parity in software is to be attained, then we must tip some of the men out of software and tip some women in. On the 2017 data, the number of those classified by the US Labor Department as computer programmers and software engineers is two million. Of these, only 388,000 are female. To achieve parity at the 2017 level of demand, we would need to find 622,000 women to move into coding and, by the same token, we would need to move 622,000 men out. If this is somehow done, then there will be gender parity and, one hopes, all will be well in the tech world.

Where are these women going to come from? As a thought experiment, we could dump them out of “girl’s clubs” like kindergarten teaching and speech-language pathology, though given the large numbers we need, we would have to raid the big battalions of female employment: nursing and teaching. But, as an exercise of the imagination, we could move 622,000 women out of the 2.7 million women currently in nursing and replace them in hospitals with 622,000 male software engineers.

Is this going to improve the world? I think not. There is no evidence that empathetic multi-tasking nurses really want to code. Nor is there any evidence that systemizing monotasking coders really want to nurse.

Chang does argue that women are put off going into coding. I don’t doubt this is true. However, much the same problems exist for men going into nursing. Personally, I never gave nursing any serious consideration as a career even though my mother was a nurse. Men in nursing complain about their teachers all being female, feeling like fish out of water, having colleagues who do not share their interests and not being taken seriously. Many stories told by male nurses are much the same as those told by female coders in Brotopia.

It is possible to get gender parity in nursing. The Iranians achieved it for a while during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s. However, as soon as the emergency of war was over, the male recruits dropped out of nursing in droves. Similarly, it is possible to get to parity in engineering. The Soviet Union simply told people what they could study. By restricting choice, you can get to parity easily. In jurisdictions where there is little choice, there are lots more female engineers (e.g. India). However, once there is a wider range of choice, women choose other occupations.

On the US data, there are 535 occupational sectors to choose from. Given the range of choice and the distribution of traits that are likely to influence aptitude, I do not see any compelling reason why we should be perturbed if fewer women choose to code than men. Nor should we worry that fewer men choose to nurse than women.

Speaking for myself, I have no problem with women in STEM in general and women in software in particular. If you are female and seeking to found a “unicorn” don’t waste time reading Chang’s jealous whines about the runaway successes of the close-knit Paypal Mafia. Read From Zero to One by the “Don” himself, Peter Thiel. Then pick a close-knit team with skills diversity and clear commercial purpose yourself.

To conclude, what motivates Brotopia is gossip and envy. It is an opportunistic ride on a mythical wave. Chang ignores psychology findings that do not fit her narrative theme of female suffering at the hands of men. She avoids discussing well-known results, some published over a decade ago, that can provide far less sinister explanations as to why more men don’t nurse and more women don’t code.

On the DFEH data, Silicon Valley has no obvious case to answer. If anything, it deserves a pat on the back for having just over half the complaint rate of Los Angeles. If feminists wish to persuade men who work with data and numbers all day every day that there is something seriously wrong with their industry, they need to find hard data and crunch the numbers.

There is no excuse not to: 48.8 percent of US statisticians are female.

Featured Pic: Author Emily Chang filming Bloomberg Studio 1.0 in 2015. Courtesy of Steve Jurvetson.

 

Sean Welsh is a PhD candidate in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Canterbury in New Zealand, and the author of Ethics and Security Automata, a research monograph on machine ethics. Prior to embarking on his PhD he worked as a software developer for 17 years. You can follow him on Twitter @sean_welsh77

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30 Comments

  1. “I would say writing software suits systemizing, deep introverts with high intelligence, single-mindedness, grit, tenacity and a degree of obsession. You can survive in software with less empathy than a retail sales clerk in a clothing store.”

    Only if your bias is, ‘single minded, systemising, introverts’ who are male perhaps? The latest example of this type of thinking can be seen at Amazon: “Amazon scraps secret AI recruiting tool that showed bias against women” (Jeffrey Dastin, Rueters, 10, October 2018). [0]

    The take-away, don’t assume bias isn’t there, especially when you are training AI tools to hire for the best.

    [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight/amazon-scraps-secret-ai-recruiting-tool-that-showed-bias-against-women-idUSKCN1MK08G

    • Reader says

      “Problems with the data that underpinned the models’ judgments meant that unqualified candidates were often recommended for all manner of jobs, the people said. With the technology returning results almost at random, Amazon shut down the project, they said.”

      I found this a rather important detail to toss in the middle.

      Honestly, given the widespread equity approach which tends to view anything short of parity as discriminatory (ie employment ratios, as listed in the book and article above), I’m pretty suspicious about “AI needs to be trained by experts to avoid bias” stuff. Especially since what appears to be an unused and highly flawed system that Amazon didn’t even seem to use is getting a media framing of “Amazon AI biased against women.”

      (But if the system literally counted the word “women’s” as a negative, that is indeed bad)

  2. Scroto Baggins says

    Spend enough time in the People’s Democratic Republic of California, and the policies of Saudi Arabia start to look quite attractive.

    I’m leaving California and moving to the United States soon, maybe Texas or Tennessee. I’m not waiting for Supreme Leader Jerry Brown to read this book and declare that Silicon Valley must be de-bro-ed (by creating a de-bro-ing bureaucracy and yet more women quotas, funded by an additional gas tax, natch).

    Eff. This.

  3. I used to teach IT project management for final year UG and Masters students. The courses were built around group projects of four to six students. We had a significant female enrolment. Groups held their initial meetings in my office till they sorted themselves out, and from then on at least one meeting a week. When teams allocated roles – coder, management, tester, documentation, etc – women almost invariably went for the management or other noncoding roles.

    This was occasionally, perhaps often, discussed. My impression was that it was seen as a natural division of labour and only contested by males who wanted management experience. They were PM courses, after all. Getting everyone to discuss the overall management of the project in their reports made people think twice about going for the role.

    A few times I intervened to support highly skilled males who rightly claimed that the coding skill required was tediously trivial, and wanted to broaden their experience. They’d usually entered the course self-trained with skills far higher than most of the graduates – just wanted the paper to prove it.

  4. Event Horizon says

    The vast majority of people simply don’t care what is the gender of the engineer who designed a specific product. Build a great product and people will buy it. Write a great book and people will read it. Make a great movie and people will see it.

  5. E. Olson says

    Why do Chang and other feminists care gender parity in Silicon Valley, but not about gender parity in carpentry, or garbage collection, or civil engineering? The answer of course is because there aren’t too many stories about carpenters, garbage collectors, or civil engineers becoming high profile billionaires. Most “big money” industries (including IT) are filled with stories about grunt coders/engineers/low level managers etc. who have a great idea that isn’t appreciated by their employer, and/or who are just a misfits who feel unwanted by their corporate culture, and as a consequence quit or are fired and thereafter start their own firm in a garage or basement and eventually grow a new company/industry and make billions – these people are also invariably men. Given the unhappiness and discrimination that female coders supposedly feel in Silicon Valley, why aren’t they quitting to start new businesses where they can hire other disgruntled women and show the valley real “girl power” by becoming the next Google, Apple, or PayPal? The Theranos example certainly demonstrates that money is available to women with big ideas, but it is also interesting to speculate why wealthy IT women (i.e. Sharyl Sandberg, Carly Fiorina) haven’t set up venture capital funds to finance all those underappreciated IT women with big ideas. Could it be they haven’t seen very many women with great ideas who are willing to give up their corporate pension/health care plans and paid vacations to start their own business, where they will need to work 80+ hour weeks for years on end and even then have a 50+% chance of losing everything?
    Could it be that Chang is providing a clear demonstration that woman are better at complaining about injustice, which is “demonstrated” here by the “missing” Silicon Valley female billionaires, rather than actually doing something personally empowering to show those Silicon Valley misogynists the error of their ways?

    • martti_s says

      Could it be that she thought she might get money and fame with the publicity her book is giving her?
      She will be interviewed and quoted etc., good for business.
      Yes, it is and advertisement and she is the product.
      Feminism is nothing but a business these days.
      Go grab your share!

      • E. Olson says

        I am sure that Chang will no doubt have her net worth and personal brand enhanced by the sales and publicity the book will generate, but I am highly doubtful it will do the “women in STEM” cause any good – or certainly less good than using her “inside” knowledge to start-up a female driven Google type unicorn.

        • Martti O. Suomivuori says

          Exactly. That was my point. She is marketing Emily Chang (and F the rest).
          One smart lady getting her way.

      • Greg H says

        This is the real answer. Finding herself squeezed at the VC firm she was at, she acted like the VCist she was and “invested” in the feminist cause because it was clearly surging in the market for ideas.

        Take a shot at a big lawsuit payday. Become a “leading advocate” for women. Get invited to speak and write. Know that your investment has a glass floor because anyone who pushes back will immidiayely be labeled a sexist.

        It’s a killer investment, better than any she could have made in her real job.

    • witchy xx says

      could it be that the women you mentioned are just as selfish? neo liberalism doesn’t have sex boundaries. it IS true that many women face discrimination in EVERY field. it doesn’t matter if it’s IT or a pizza shop. women experience harassment and this book is only pointing out one slice of the Patriarchy. it would be nice if the women you mentioned were funding other women who have big ideas. that is truly how it needs to be done: breaking away and starting businesses run / managed by women. anyway. this book doesn’t look like it addressed the big picture very much and that is more of a failing of so called liberal feminism than anything else. *sigh*

    • E. Olson says

      A feminist will look at such a statistic and say it is a sign of sexism and discrimination in the IT industry, because if there were only more women in IT there would also be greatly more “MeToo” complaints to move IT up to the across industry average.

  6. This review is making the very specific point that Emily Chang’s broadest claims are unsustainable as they venture into an area where there are solid statistics showing that Silicon Valley is below average for the issues she is raising. However, it would be interested in the wider point about the levels of sexism and genuine toxic behaviour in some areas as I think there is a case to be made against rampant sexism and bad behaviour in the venture capital industry which then has a particularly significant impact in relation to the technology business in Silicon Valley. I haven’t read the book and don’t know whether she even tried to make the point. Feels like a missed opportunity like so much of the modern feminist movement. Perhaps someone could advise whether there is anything valuable in the book or is it all completely undermined by the overstretch in claims.

    Still, I guess it sells books and anyone getting it right is likely to be unpublished and unheard of.

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  12. Paulo says

    “The underlying themes are that a stereotype of software aptitude was created to exclude women”. Let’s call this what it is: BS! Many nerds where not discriminating against women, they themselves were object of discrimination! Just look at how nerds were portrait in popular culture – a guy with big chunky glasses, pimples, and target of scorn especially by girls. In fact many turned to computers because a) they liked it and b) it provided an escape from the harassment.
    These people are so intellectually dishonest that I find appalling and disgusting!

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  14. I’ve worked for one of the biggest tech companies in the valley for many years. I find it funny that I haven’t witnessed any “bro culture”. All the engineers I work with act professional and treat women with respect. No one gives a crap what your race, gender or ethnicity is. If you do a really good job we will happily shower you with money and promotion.

  15. The female dominance of some occupations should be looked at. It does not matter if software is developed by a man or a woman, what matters is it works but it may well matter if children are taught almost exclusively by women at a young age. There is very good evidence that women teachers systematically discriminate against boys in marking an OECD report for example. This is believed to be because the teacher’s mark is influenced by behaviour and not simply achievement. In addition there is the catastrophic relative decline of male educational achievement relative to female which has occurred at exactly the time that male educational employment has declined. It may be that there are good educational reasons why we should act to increase the proportion of male teachers. Reasons that are not simply driven by jealously and victim ideology but a concern for the best outcome for children.

    Currently the focus is on giving further educational advantages to girls because of the ever shrinking minority of subjects where boys do better and ignoring the majority of subjects and the reality of male educational disadvantage. This is just one of the signs that the message of female disadvantage and male privilege is nonsense.

    On software developer recruitment my evidence is only anecdotal but for at least 25 years it has been a goal to encourage women something quite often stated overtly in meetings about recruitment. A female candidates has enormous advantages and as long as credible will in my experience be recruited over any male candidate however good. The issue is there are not many of them especially with any sort of track record. There are in fact less female sw developers now than in the 70s and the reason is that far less as a proportion apply. The so called gender equality paradox is the obvious explanation.

  16. Caligula says

    ” Chang makes no complaint about gender disparity in female dominant fields. ”

    But why would you expect her to?

    If you try to understand Chang as more “advocate for women” and less “advocate for equality” this is just what one would expect. And if men are disadvantaged in some ways in some fields, well, that’s not her problem, is it?

  17. Michael says

    One of the things I fail to understand about this supposed vast sea of underutilized and conversely highly available technical talent and leadership is why smart investors and business owners aren’t snapping them up.

    Smart money is always looking for good places to be spent. The idea that venture capitalists would gamble on less qualified investments simply because they are proffered by men rather than women seems a questionable proposition if not just nuts.

    It’s a lot like all of the supposed superstar women who do the exact same work as men – same skills, same experience, same hours, same benefits negotiated – at 70 cents on the dollar. Any business owner or investor would be a blind idiot not to cut salary costs by 30% by just hiring women instead of men.

  18. “Her call to action is to break up the “boy’s club” and establish gender parity in software.”

    For the love of Pete! “Hey boys, those really successful companies that you’ve built from your own smarts, savvy, hustle, salesmanship, luck/willingness to take a risk, blood sweat and tears – you should cut us in/put us in charge because… “.

    If you don’t like the culture, start your own software company. If you don’t like Hollywood movies, make your own – if you can’t find a producer/studio – start your own. You have supposedly half the world as a under-served market crying out for products & services. You go girl!

    • None of those things will be done at a ‘meta level’ precisely because the collective will is not there to undertake it. As has been pointed out, these type of claims aimed at forcing ‘equity’ into culture are about the advocacy of one group over another…equity is just a tool with which to bludgeon. They are ideologically based on lies…period. It’s why things like Quillette exist…which itself is evidence that women can do things, exceptionally, albeit anecdotally. But as a class/group there is no will to undertake the risks, etc involved. Must be internalized misogyny….

      • witchy xx says

        it would be nice if there were more collective action!! too bad US culture is gripped by Randian ideals. :/

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