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Jordan Peterson Rallies Portlandia’s Dissidents

PORTLAND, Ore. — Weeks of effort by activists to get University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson booted from his Portland tour stop ultimately failed as he delivered an uninterrupted speech to a packed-house on Monday at the Keller Auditorium in downtown.

Before the event, around 50 protesters gathered across the street to shout at Mr. Peterson’s fans waiting in line. “Say it once, say it again, no excuse for violent men,” they chanted. Many held signs condemning his views on gender pronouns and women. One sign declared, “As many genders as we want.” Another read, “Infinite genders.”

Demonstrators protest Jordan Peterson’s appearance in Portland

The protest comes at a tense time in Portland as activists have shut down the local Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office nearby for nine straight days. I recognized many of the same protesters, which include self-described anti-fascists, socialists, and anarchists.

“We’re out here because there’s a classist, misogynistic, transphobic bigot named Jordan Peterson getting paid to spread his hateful ideology here in Portland,” shouted Rosemary Dodd through a megaphone. “We’re outraged by his words, yes. But we must also be outraged by a system where these disgusting ideas find an echo.” Ms. Dodd is a 27 year-old member of the local chapter of the Socialist Alternative who helped organize the protest with the Portland Democratic Socialists of America.

She declined to comment for this story.

Rosemary Dodd, a socialist activist, delivers a speech against Jordan Peterson outside the Keller Auditorium

Inside, Mr. Peterson caught glimpses of the protest on a mobile phone while waiting backstage. “These are the brave masked people?” he asked. The professor is in the middle of an international tour to promote his best-selling book, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos. Until his Portland visit, only a handful of protesters combined have demonstrated across his nearly two-dozen tour stops across the U.S., Canada, and U.K.

YouTube host Dave Rubin, who is the opening act on the tour, isn’t surprised that Portland, a city infamous for its progressive politics, is the first place to mount an organized protest. Even Portland Mercury, a popular local newspaper, encouraged its readers to resist and protest Peterson. During Mr. Rubin’s first visit to the city last year, when he came to speak on a panel at Portland State University, he was also protested by antifa.

“I think these guys are a little misguided in what they’re doing,” he said, “but they’re welcome to express their views just as Jordan is welcome to express his views.”

Dave Rubin waits in the green room before Jordan Peterson speaks

Efforts to prevent Mr. Peterson speaking began in May, and they appear to offer evidence of a movement that uses big rhetoric and threats as a cover for its small membership. An anonymous group calling itself “Humans Against Hate” first threatened the Keller Auditorium’s owners with show disruptions if they didn’t cancel his event. The group accused him of using “dog-whistle calls” to violent misogynists in an open letter. The venue’s owners, made up of a group of publicly-owned agencies, refused to budge. Heather Back, a communications and policy manager for Metro, one of the owners, told me they are “legally prohibited from judging the content of a performance.”

Humans Against Hate promised to disrupt the owners’ meeting in early June but when I attended, not a single demonstrator was there. A security guard hired in the event of protest stood outside, staring at the ground.

Even with the negative press surrounding some of Mr. Peterson’s more controversial views, such as his opposition to equity programs or his support for socially “enforced monogamy,” he remained skeptical from the beginning that any Portland group would mobilize enough people to shut him down. “Obviously they weren’t successful, except in generating 50 people who were protesting against things that anyone in their right mind would protest,” he said. “You don’t like violent men. Okay, fine. You don’t like poverty either. Who likes violent men and poverty?”

Shortly before he took the stage, I had an opportunity to look at the faces in the audience while the lights were still on. The 3,000-seat theatre was almost entirely filled—not with angry young white men as I was led to believe by protesters but a diverse crowd that included many women and people of color.

Jordan Peterson speaks to an audience of nearly 3,000 in Portland on June 25, 2018

This surprised and bothered some of the protesters I spoke to. “All of the women here, I don’t really understand why anybody would support somebody who is—I mean, it’s just disgusting,” said one demonstrator who declined to give her name.

While Mr. Peterson’s most vocal critics at the protest were women, some of his most ardent defenders I spoke to were also women. Ashley Miller, a 33 year-old approached me shortly before the show began. Covered in tattoos and piercings, I thought she was a protester about to confront me (I earlier photographed some camera-shy demonstrators). I was wrong.

“I’m bisexual, biracial, queer, Jewish,” she began, “but it’s not something that’s important to me.” She said the protesters accuse others of being transphobic, sexist, or racist in order to disengage from dialogue. “I’m a little concerned about how people are becoming deeply divided because of that.” She had traveled from Seattle to see Peterson speak for a second time in less than a week. 

A fan meets Jordan Peterson after his lecture

After the show, I caught up with Mr. Peterson and briefly showed him some of the protest signs from outside. His response? “It’s perfectly within the rubric of their rights to invent whatever delusional fantasies they feel like inventing and living in. It has nothing to do with me.” Our interview was cut short when he was called to return to the auditorium, where hundreds of fans were waiting in line to meet him. 

Humans Against Hate could not be reached for comment. Socialist Alternative Portland declined to comment. Portland Democratic Socialists of America did not respond to inquiries for comment.

All photos by Andy Ngo.

 

Andy Ngo is a graduate student in political science at Portland State University and a subeditor at Quillette. Follow him on Twitter @MrAndyNgo

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83 Comments

  1. Death Hate says

    JP is the rebirth of the atomic velocity of quantum ideology. The far fright is clearly fearful of his logical lacerations just as a moth is attacked to the fame.

  2. ccscientist says

    Many of the protesters appear to be living in an orthogonal reality to ours, and to have no interest in having their misunderstandings corrected. A violent man? Peterson? Wow.
    Peterson’s point about monogamy is that as an institution (marriage) it is a counter to harems, which is what happens when powerful men are allowed to get all the women. He is pointing out that monogamy increases fairness in society and benefits women too.

    • christian says

      We already have monogamy, there are no harems. His point was essentially meaningless, ‘enforced monogamy’ will do nothing in solving the incel problem. Most of what Peterson spouts is general common sense you can get from a minister, i will grant that he has some valid points when it comes to hierarchies being much harder to level up. Besides that he has no real solutions for the challenges that society faces, it is just a repackaging of Tony Robbins and prosperity preachers with some carl jung. I maybe coming off as too negative, but i don’t really care either ways. If people want to listen to this guy then good luck to them, i hope it works out for them.

      • We do have harems; look to the Middle East. And monogamy has been undermined by no fault divorce, unfair custody laws, the welfare state, the prevalence of sex outside of marriage, and the separation of child-rearing and marriage in the popular imagination (and in law — e.g., “gay marriage”)

        If what Dr. Peterson “spouts” is “general common sense you can get from a minister,” it’s pretty telling that people are so desperate to hear what he has to say, and that some people protest it all. Common sense has been out of fashion for a while, if you haven’t noticed.

        • Lee Moore says

          We do have harems; look to the Middle East.

          You don’t have to wander off to the Middle East to find polygamy. On any college campus, any female who wants to get laid gets laid. But lots of male nerds, fat guys and dorky shy guys don’t get laid at all. Whereas the cool guys and the jocks lay pipe freely. So for each gal who gets laid, there’s a guy who gets laid. Except it isn’t a different guy – it’s the same one.

          This persists into “monogamous” married life. The husbands who get plenty on the side are the good looking, cool, prosperous self confident ones. The doofuses who are snagged as husbands by the desperate fat girls, don’t cut a swathe through the local singles. And the guys who are so woeful that even the desperate fat girls don’t want them – they’re not getting any. That’s NOT ANY.

          There’s polygamy all around you, if only you look.

          • I think the only difference is that it is not structural polygomy(is that a word?). The western culture shames the situations that you just described. Most recognize that it is not the ideal that we want. Look at entertainment media, monogamous relationships are prized as the ideal state when both partners (gay or straight, AI) are madly in love and devoted only to each other. After all, and sex aside, no man or woman has the emotional energy or time to fully care for more that one partner(I could be wrong but I don’t think so). Now add child rearing and it’s easy to see monogamy as far and away the most practical and effective so therefore the objectively most moral system.

      • andrew says

        “Besides that he has no real solutions for the challenges that society faces”

        See I think he does have a solution. His “real solutions” are on an individual level. Sort yourself out first before trying to tackle complicated structures of society. I’m simplifying this, but he has a number of talks and lectures on why “cleaning your room” is so vital and actually quite difficult to achieve. That’s what makes him so intriguing. He gives people a guide to live by, and one that is globally recognized as positive and valuable.

      • Saul says

        Serial monogamy, which results from the increase of divorces, is effectively polygamy, which means one male occupies more then one female leaving a precentage of males who are unable to compete, bitter and vengeful. If things Peterson says are so obvious, why is that so many people do not know them? It cant be just stupidity.
        People who complain about Peterson seem to already have “their house in order”, in which case, they should really check out his Maps of Meaning, instead of his interviews and book tour shows.
        There is a reason why this book is titled “antidote to chaos” and not “antidote to order” although Peterson quite verbosely describes the consequences of too much order. The reason is “antidote to order” already exists as a book, and the political world has operated on that book for at least 50 years.

      • Rob says

        We have monogamy for people who pair up long-term, yes. But for the increasing numbers who don’t, we have something like polygamy, with the high-status males having many partners, and low-status males having none.

        That’s the way sex on college campuses tends to play out. Which is not so great for the female students, as the alpha males can get away with treating them pretty badly because there’s always another young woman waiting in line.

        This wouldn’t be so bad if it was a transitory stage when young people are experimenting and getting their kicks. But it’s becoming the long-term mating pattern for a growing number of people who don’t pair up in enduring relationships. Which is really unstable for society. You get women desperate to partner with the relatively scarce alpha males, and the low-status males falling prey to alienation and resentment, with all the bad social outcomes associated with it.

        • Alistair says

          Actually, the economists and evolutionary biologists have already done this one over. The maths is pretty simple, and can be done by anyone with a spread sheet and basic arithmetic.

          Polygamy = wins for ALPHA males and BETA females. High (relative to monogamy) variance in male returns, low in female.

          Monogamy = wins for BETA males and ALPHA females. Low (relative to polygamy) variance in male returns, higher in female.

          Polygamy, on average, has lower net utility, because both male fitness and returns are more variable than female under both systems. Hence a system that minimises variation in male returns generates higher net utility overall (minimising the sexless / incel populatin, basically).

          As other commentators have noted, Polygamy generates lots of surplus young men who will never have families. It also promotes misogyny and turns women into the property of patriarchs, as they suddenly have a lot more market value.

          • V K says

            Which economists? Which evolutionary biologists? Really seems like you’re oversimplifying whatever research they have done on this subject or you’re just explaining it poorly.

          • Lee Moore says

            Polygamy, on average, has lower net utility, because both male fitness and returns are more variable than female under both systems.

            I don’t follow. How do you aggregate the returns ? If I get two girls and you get none, how is that worse than us each getting one ? OK it’s worse for you, but what valuation system are you specifying to be able to add up all the apples and oranges to a single number ?

      • “…he has no real solutions for the challenges that society faces…”

        I feel that you are missing his point entirely. Which is that his solution for challenges is to address them on a personal, individual level. Deal with your own challenges, fix your own life, slay your own demons, make yourself a better person, and do what you can on an individual level to reduce the despair of others. That’s it. Don’t try to ‘fix’ things on a societal level by enforcing things on other people. Fix your own things on a personal level.

        It is a powerful message to those who finally get it. And explains his wide and deep popularity.

        • Peter from Oz says

          You sum it up very well. Peterson’s message is the basic conservative message.

      • Edward Antonio says

        That’s what you get for not listening with an intent to learn something.

      • You’re sadly misinformed. We have the equivalent in the US with various cults and radical Mormon communities. We call it Polygamy and it destroys those communities from within and really harms the children of both sexes.

      • jontou says

        Hookup Culture. Women are in social control of sex. Free Love debases the heroic struggle in men, and some self-worth in women.

      • pyrrhus says

        Know any Mormons or Moslems? Some of them are quite into harems…

    • With a minor twist, Enforced Monogamy can be called Culturally Reinforced Monogamy, and the wind would drop from the sails of the dissenters—at least on that front.

      • Deafening Tone says

        Excellent suggestion. You should propose it to Peterson on Twitter.

    • josh says

      That was Peterson’s point, but it was kind of a stupid point to make in response to a couple rampages by men who feel abandoned by the world for their lack of sex. Western society already has (socially) enforced monogamy and it’s quite a stretch to think that slightly fewer guys having affairs would have provided girlfriends for the lonely, self-hating misanthropes in the world. Even if lifelong monogamy was universal law, we would still have people raging at the world because they didn’t get what they want out of life, including sex. Moreover, one might think that the rights of men and women to pursue their own happiness, even at the expense of society, deserve a mention, particularly among Peterson’s libertarian fanbase.

      Jordan is often misunderstood and/or misrepresented, but he’s also often silly and wrong on the merits.

      • Just Me says

        What makes you say Peterson has a libertarian fanbase?

        He himself is definitely not a libertarian.

        • josh says

          Peterson himself is rarely explicit about what government policies he supports. It’s clear he’s inclined to be socially conservative but not what he thinks the law should be. Regardless though, my observation is that many of his supporters are libertarians, particularly on a site like Quillette, which seems to have a libertarian bent generally. I’m sure he has more traditional conservative fans as well, but he doesn’t endorse literal belief in religion, doesn’t talk about outlawing homosexuality or abortion, doesn’t seem to encourage harsh punishments and immigration obsession, and spends most of his time railing against “neo-Marxists” and the PC left. (To clarify, I don’t know exactly where he stands on some of those issues personally, but they aren’t the issues he’s widely known for.)

          • Just Me says

            He’s railed against today’s ridiculously high university tuition fees, defended universal healthcare, says societies have to be careful not to let inequality get too extreme or you get high crime and social instability, etc. Not libertarian.

        • I am libertarian and a fan. I don’t just admire other libertarians. He’s a sensible guy who conveys his views well. I would call him a classic centrist conservative.

  3. Progressive Proton says

    The looney heft will one day open their eyes to the furious fetid they have allowed into their trains. That glorious day Dr. Peterson will be acknowledged as the savior of the heft and lead us all, bright and heft alike, into a new ear of positronic machinations. The heft will submit. The bright will rise. All hail the proton.

    • NeonCrusader says

      Are you doing Fallout memes here? Cause I detect more than a whiff of the Church of the Children of Atom in your posts. There’s also some Asimov thrown in for good measure, which just confuses/entertains me further. In any case, it’s quite amusing, do continue.

  4. Deafening Tone says

    Some weird people on the comments today.

    • Galactic Patriarch says

      Weirdness is a state of mind, uncommonly considered a consequence of the thirst amendment. Often accompanied by free bleach.

  5. trssr says

    these protestors should take 2 seconds to consider maaybe they strawmanned him and are lying instead of steelmanning and understanding

    hes gonna keep helping women

    • viewpoint neutral says

      It is not surprising in the least that the demonstrators declined to be interviewed or to comment. This is a common theme one sees on social media quite a bit, where someone’s point is objectively contradicted, and their response is to simply block the objector, or to respond with “I’m not going to give you the pleasure of taking your statements seriously b/c you are (insert bigoted identity label here).”
      It is a typical human defense mechanism designed to preserve a worldview that supports a fragile psyche and willingness to see the world as they wish it were, with themselves as a victim. This preservation of worldview is the necessary tool of an underdeveloped and immature mind that cannot handle the chaos of reality. They don’t wish to be corrected – their search is not for truth but for psychological stability, even if built on illusion. And it is true of people on all sides of the political, and religious, spectrum.

  6. x-moose says

    The novelty of JP is that he dares to voice entirely sensible, not even remotely controversial ideas. Apparently one needs tenure these days to state the obvious. It must be refreshing for common folks, subjected to the endless barrage of virtue signaling thrash. Still, JP is no greatest living intellectual, as the Spectator proclaimed him to be. The first chapter (about the lobster and serotonin being common behavioral trigger in cray fish and man, resetting evolutionary precursor of human behavior to 140 mln years prior to commonly acknowledged) was fun and entertaining trivia. The remaining 11 chapters of the 12 Rules book is tedious and pretension come to Jesus rubbish.

      • x-moose says

        So true, except when the moose is deceived and the well is bare. Have you drunk from the 12 Rules well yourself? Like from page one onward until the end? If not, kindly shut up.

    • Rob says

      Agreed that Peterson’s real contribution to society is defiantly taking a sledgehammer to the insensate folly of identarians, just as their dogma was hardening into orthodoxy in much of the mainstream media. Nothing really new there, just conventional liberal (in the true sense of the word) values presented in an unusually articulate and pointed manner. The sad thing is what should be commonplace observations and arguments have become so rare that he’s treated like some kind of prophet.

  7. Fzz says

    No one was there. Nobody applauded, few standing Os. No crowd, all came late and left early with ice cream man..

    Will some one who actually did attend the lecture, please respond?

    • Deafening Tone says

      I was there. About 90% full. The attendees were more diverse than the protesters. My wife got a great picture of a black man and a latina staring out from the second floor of the auditorium onto the protesters, the latter who were, ostensibly, protesting for the former’s “liberation.” It really captured the absurdity of the protests.

      The crowd was quite raucous. Attendees ranged from 8 years old to well into senior citizen range. About 2/3 men. The ethnic diversity, interestingly, was most prominent among the women. (Not sure what to make of that one.) Median age was probably 31-32. Folks were lined up for more than an hour ahead of time, even though there was assigned seating.

      Really great discussion, crowd was enraptured. Went off completely without a hitch. I was surprised the local leftist rag (Willamette Week) didn’t cover the event, even though it ran several stories about the planned protest in the run-up.

      To be fair, the local concurrent ICE protests probably drained much of the available Cobra Command footsoldiers and resources.

    • N Ankcorn says

      I was there, female, 68 years old, pioneer in a male dominated industry. JORDAN WAS WONDERFUL. THE BOOK IS WONDERFUL. THE 12 Rules ARE SIMPLE AND PROFOUND. They apply to all. His popularity is from his ability to illuminate truths from literature and history. The individual applies them in their own way. Portland: 3000 people, 2.5 hours, rapt attention, hearing the call to our own actions. Come to the meet up group.

    • Yes, I was there. First, the number of protesters was small. I’d say 30. Which was surprising since the alternative papers were whipping up fervor that Hitler 2.0 (or maybe 3.0 after Trump) was befouling our fair city. Plus, Portlanders tend to protest anything as it counts as an outdoor activity. The protesters were reserved and there were no confrontations. Surprisingly non-confrontational for the Rose City.

      The theater was packed (I purchased ticket day before and all that remained were the upper, upper balcony seats. There was only one empty row of seats behind me.

      There were no hecklers in the audience, which was damn refreshing for the times we live in. I’d say 2/3rds of the audience were men in their 20s and 30s. The rest were a mix of women, GenX and Baby Boomers. A smattering of minorities, but this is Portland after all, the whitest city in America, so it’s going to be majority pale no matter the event. The woman I sat next to brought her teenage son and daughter. I’d peg them as 15 and 17. The daughter was far more enthusiastic than the son, who seemed to keep an ironic distance from it all – in other words, a typical teenager 🙂

      My biggest takeaway was not what happened on stage, but with the audience members I talked to (both before and then afterward). You could hear a real hunger in their voice for fresh thinking. Peterson made a powerful observation that he rose in prominence thru YouTube and podcasts….places where audience engages for 45-60-even 180 minutes (He was on Joe Rogan for three hours). Contrast this with CNN, FOX, The Daily Show, Colbert where one gets 6 or 7 minutes. What does this tell you about the desire for real intellectual engagement?

      • Yes, thank you for this. An excellent, reasoned account of the evening. I was there and saw a very diverse crowd. I’m gay and thought the protesters chants of ‘we’re black brown and queer, JP isn’t welcome here’ to be at least 1/3 incorrect. The ‘bros’ behind me were being very bigoted when one of them said ‘dude, you look really good, really healthy’ ‘thanks, I’ve been meditating’. Toxic masculinity at it’s worst.

        I had to leave Facebook this week because I couldn’t stand the lies and the abusive, hypocritical reporting from a local news outlet. Also in calling them out I attracted further abuse from a handful of readers who accused me of racism (for…actually i’m not sure why) and supporting a ‘men’s rights activist’. It’s just tiring. Nobody want to do the work of actually watching/reading what he has to say. An argument is made by posting an opinion piece by somebody else. It’s like photocopied outrage. It gets blurrier the further away from the source it gets.

        Overall I enjoyed the event. I could have done without the bombast at the beginning, with Dave Rubin warming the crowd up. Warm enough thanks. For a moment I questioned why I was there. It felt like I was attending a Tony Robbins-esque seminar. But when the man spoke it calmed down and was over-all different enough from his other content to warrant the hefty price ticket.

        Definitely around 30 protestors. Shouting about not putting up with lies and hate. Yeah, ok.

  8. I don’t have anything meaningful to add except Andy Ngo’s photography here is exceptional.

  9. martti_s says

    Without the rage of the SJW gang Jordan Peterson would have been just another psychology professor. I remember watching the first clips on Youtube wondering how the hell can he take that abuse keeping his cool. The pressure must have been enormous. He could have lost his job, even his life. But he did not, God knows where he found his strength.
    And now finally, as people actually know what he is talking about, the ‘protestors’ are losing their stand while the supporters (for whatever reason they may have) are more and more.
    I really do not understand what is so special about him.
    I mean, he is an OK guy who has gone through a lot and who has taken control of his own life.
    Why the noise when he tells others to do the same?

      • Cindy says

        That statement is so true. So incredibly, yet sadly true… I can only hope that more people would find the Love of Truth, for its own sake.
        (And then clean up their room) 😉

    • Deafening Tone says

      Also, young people are experiencing a crisis of meaning, in part due to creeping societal nihilism, in part to the crumbling of mediating social structures, in part due to the relentless attacks on home cultures by those intending to bring down Western civilization from within, in part due to the superficiality and toxicity of social media. It’s difficult to find your place in the world under those conditions.

  10. dirk says

    If I see this Rosemary with the megaphone, I wonder and imagine, if that was my daughter, would I be proud or not? I think yes,not because I agree, but because she is confident, good looking, lively and assertive. Does it matter much what you shout if in your 10s or 20s? I remember shouting women and girls in the street of my youth, something new then (because before that mostly angry young men only), then it was for feminism and the right on abortion. Now this again, very good girls, shout freely in the air, we are listening! And Peterson also doesn’t mind, as he didn’t when seated in front of angry young fierce Cathy Newman!

    • I would be ashamed if either of my two daughters (18 & 20 yrs old) behaved like that. Falsely accusing people, intimidating people?

    • dirk says

      The more I look at her, the more I think, heaven, if only I could have had such a nice daughter, but I don’t!

  11. Prince of Slugs says

    I’m enjoying this new cast of characters commenting on articles with unique alliterations.

    • NeonCrusader says

      I know, right? No idea what happened here recently, but this brings a bit of entertaining levity to what are usually more cerebral affairs.

  12. Dennis says

    “a system where these disgusting ideas find an echo…”

    Yes, a “system” that allows free speech and where free people can decide to pay money to see a professor speak for 30 minutes. How awful! This terrible “system” must be overthrown!

  13. Smegma says

    JP was a prof of mine at UofT roughly 20 years ago. He wasn’t a star at the time and was just another prof in department full of decent profs. Now he’s a super star. Unsurprisingly, his opponents clearly don’t understand his psychology/philosophy. If this did they would understand that their opposition to him is what’s fueling his recent popularity, and he must absolutely love it. A core tenant of his theories is the archetype of the hero struggling against opposition for a greater good. He’s now the hero of free speech; exactly what he’s always wanted to be. The ironic juxtaposition of intention and results is just astounding.

  14. Mark says

    “Even with the negative press surrounding some of Mr. Peterson’s more controversial views, such as his opposition to equity programs or his support for socially ‘enforced monogamy'”.

    All right, so it’s Dr. Peterson to start with.

    I fail to see how enforced monogamy is controversial. We live by enforced monogamy. What’s controversial is authors misrepresenting what enforced monogamy actually means.

  15. Jon says

    The left is in the business of appearing to solve problems for alleged victim groups. They need victims (women in this case), yet real victims are very thin on the ground, so they need to invent them. But for every victim there must be a monster, a boogeyman, the “violent men”. So the left have spent the last 40 years inventing fictitious boogeymen to cover up the fact they are politically irrelevant.

  16. Josh says

    I love your articles, Andy. Keep up the good work!

  17. Bent Sorensen says

    Good article, except for one thing: his “controversial” views. The first one (NOT to discriminate against people based on superficial traits such as sex or race) is not – or at least shouldn’t be – controversial. But the real issue is the second one. The one about “enforced monogamy. That’s a complete misrepresentation. And you used a hit piece as your source. It’s a technical term. Jordan explains it here: https://jordanbpeterson.com/media/on-the-new-york-times-and-enforced-monogamy/

  18. I think the incel issue has to do with excessive masturbation and lower levels of seratonin and other chemicals due to the fact.This paired with lack of communication skills and unlimited porn I think is causing the biggest angst for that movement. I think incels have an unrealistic view on how to get into a relationship as well from lack of socialization. In my opinion the way to curb it would be to have more school psychologists and encourage students to visit to discuss anything involving their lives or whatever frustrations they have. Socially enforced monogamy doesn’t work, when was the last time you wanted to do something that society enforced you to do? Especially when it’s involcing your own sex life.

    • I go to work. I don’t spend all of my earnings before my wife gets my hands on some. I don’t cheat on my wife. It’s all socially enforced. Where do you think decent behavior comes from? (Hint: I don’t believe in God).

  19. Socially enforced manogomy is not enforced in really way at all. Its just a concept. Men and women are better off in pairs for life. Its a shame thats frightening to some people.

    • dirk says

      Manogomy Kevin, what the hell is that again? Something like polyandry? Maybe the solution for Peterson,s problem. And, the good news, it exists already. Prostitution reigns, the oldest profession on earth, what would society be without??

    • R O says

      From what I gather here, and on JP’s site (from link above), George Gilder had this pretty well figured out back in the early 70’s as described in his book, “Sexual Suicide”. Not having read it in a long time, my quick glance at the blurbs and foreword in my copy, and hazy recollection, I see that he seems to be foreseeing the trends such as incel-induced violence as a return to a pre-historic time before social organization when life really was “nasty, brutish, and short. He attributes this, at least in part (maybe more – need to re-read) to the rise of feminism, and how it was beginning to decouple (literally) sex from marriage, with the kinds of familial breakdown and “war between the sexes” that is so common now.

      Back then, when I was young man wondering if I would end up “incel”, as it is termed now, I raged against the “societally enforced monogamy” that seemed to be leaving me out unless I got married. Now after 44 years of marriage (4 kids – varying outcomes, but not bad…), I see Gilder’s points better, and suspect JP would, too.

      The updated edition, 1986, is titled “Men and Marriage”, and does seem to be more readily available the “Sexual Suicide”. Read it if you want to see an earlier analysis closer to the “breaking point” in our society.

  20. GRW3 says

    When I saw the title about Portland’s dissidents, I assumed the author was talking about the audience. Portland is such a crushingly left wing place. Even Powell’s Books and VooDoo Donuts can make it bearable.

  21. ROBERT MITCHELL says

    I wish writers would at least get their facts straight. Jordon did not say he was for forces monogamy. The said that that seems to be the case in our history as a species.

  22. Just Me says

    Anyone interested in understanding violent men should read Daemon Fairless’ book, Mad Blood Stirring: the Inner Lives of Violent Men.

    • dirk says

      What about the blood of enterprising and succesful men like Clinton, Trump and Weinstein, Just Me?? I would like to know!

  23. I love the photo of Rosemary Dodd, with the little troglodyte guy in the background, holding up the infinite genders placard and looking as if life has been hard to him (as no doubt it has.) Hang around these weird chicks for long enough, nod at their nutty pronouncements, and maybe, maybe one of them’ll get stoned enough to let you climb on top of them.

    NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

    • I love the sign with the quote from Peterson. The one where they agree with him. Way to protest guys.

  24. eqdw says

    > This surprised and bothered some of the protesters I spoke to. “All of the women here, I don’t really understand why anybody would support somebody who is—I mean, it’s just disgusting,” said one demonstrator who declined to give her name.

    I keep reading quotes like this but somehow it never occurs to any protestors to _ask those people_ why they’re there

    • Tina Rose says

      Oh, I think you know very well why. We all do. Blissful ignorance or willful stupidity, take your pick. It all amounts to the same thing. No openness to learning new things…or anything apparently that doesn’t fit in the little box that they have built around themselves.

  25. It’s distressing how the same “fake news” phenomenon spreads just as easily through the left as we all witnessed it fly through the right.

    On one hand, you can say “well, when the left gets taken in by fake news, liberals don’t show up at a pizza joint and shoot people”. Fair enough! But people looking for Hillary’s child sex ring have a limited political lifespan; the changes that are being called for by the SJL (“Social Justice Left”, my catchall for urban progressive activist types) could/will affect hundreds of millions of people for generations. Difficult to assign weight to the value of human life vs. the quality of human life, but I feel safe in saying that we should be thinking (as someone who’s closer to the SJL than, I suspect, most Quilette readers) A LOT harder about what we’re asking for in these protests.

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