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Trump, Partisan Politics and Gay Rights

On February 19, the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump announced a new international gay-rights campaign, which will focus on fighting laws in 72 countries that still treat same-sex relationships as criminal acts. “Although the decriminalization strategy is still being hashed out, officials say it’s likely to include working with global organizations like the United Nations, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, as well as other countries whose laws already allow for gay rights,” reported NBC News.

Most of the targeted countries are in the Middle East and Africa. But it is widely suspected that the policy was formulated with one specific country in mind: Iran, a long-time U.S. adversary that ranks as one of the worst gay rights abusers in the world. Indeed, Iran is one of only four countries where the death penalty for homosexuality is codified under Sharia and implemented on a countrywide basis (the other three being Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen). This is not simply a case of archaic old laws that the Iranian government just never rescinded. In fact, a 31-year-old man was hung in the Iranian city of Kazeroon on homosexuality-related charges as recently as January.

Given all this, one might think that a campaign against the criminalization of homosexuality would present a rare instance in which even progressives would give Trump credit for doing the right thing. But some on the left have abandoned the opportunity for common cause, and instead have argued that this move only proves Trump’s status as a bigot and hypocrite.

One column on the subject that went viral, for instance, was titled “Trump’s Plan to Decriminalize Homosexuality Is an Old Racist Tactic.” The Out magazine piece informed readers that Iran’s anti-gay policies recently have “softened” (never mind the occasional hanging). Author Mathew Rodriguez also claimed that Trump’s move is “part of an old colonialist handbook,” and an example of the “racist, paternalistic process by which colonizing powers would decry the way men in power treated oppressed groups…to justify attacking them.”

It’s tempting to laugh off such rhetoric as a symptom of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” But my own experiences within the American gay community have shown me that there is a deeper trend at play—one that won’t end when Trump leaves office. Gay writers and progressive LGBT activists have become so consumed with partisan politics and intersectional ideology that they cannot concede the possibility that their opponents may have done some good in the world.

The fact that the new initiative is being led by a gay man, U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, means little to these ideologues. In their narrative, Grenell is either a sellout or a stooge. A left-wing writer at Teen Vogue dismissed the ambassador as a “pawn.” And even some prominent elected Democrats have joined in on the backlash. Rep. Robin Kelly (D-IL) took to Twitter to bash the president after his announcement (begrudgingly including the caveat that she does, apparently, “support global LGBT-decriminalization efforts”).

Even established gay-rights groups joined in on the anti-Trump pile-on. The Human Rights Campaign bills itself as America’s largest “national lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer civil rights organization,” with a mission to build “a world where LGBTQ people are ensured of their basic equal rights, and can be open, honest and safe at home, at work and in the community.” But while Trump’s move is entirely consistent with these goals, the HRC response to the Feb. 19 announcement was bizarre, as they put out a scathing Twitter thread attacking Trump for a laundry list of actions unrelated to his recent initiative (including a one-off joke the president reportedly made in regard to criticism of his record on LGBT issues).

A few of the non-sequiturs listed in the thread do represent real blots on Trump’s record, like his limitations on transgender troops serving in the U.S. military. But why is this the HRC’s same-day reaction to a pro-LGBT initiative? To an outside observer, it seems that the HRC is more fixated on attacking Republicans than addressing the fact that a third of the countries in the world treat people like me as criminals for the way we were born.

The narratives behind social justice, “intersectionality,” and decolonization typically emphasize the need to consider the race, gender and sexual orientation of everyone involved in a discussion, or affected by an underlying rule, decision or policy. That might sound like a recipe for understanding and tolerance at first glance, but the reaction to Trump’s initiative shows how such doctrines can have destructive consequences. This thinking leads to an all-consuming focus on the identity of the people championing a new idea, as opposed to the merits of the idea itself: And so it becomes more satisfying to excoriate a Republican president standing up for gay rights than to acknowledge the vicious homophobia of a Muslim-majority foreign country that can be cast as oppressed or disadvantaged.

As a gay conservative, I’ve described how identity politics warps the objectivity of many progressives within the LGBT community. Gay people (and their “allies”) now are routinely scared to agree with an orthodox Christian or traditional conservative on an issue like tax policy or internet censorship, lest the gesture somehow be construed as support for homophobia or opposition to gay marriage. As with the reaction to Trump, under this worldview the issue under discussion doesn’t matter—just the identity of the person arguing it. Given all this, why would future conservative lawmakers ever bother to compromise or reach across the aisle? Their critics will condemn them anyway. Intersectionality has given everyone an incentive to “stay in their lane”—including when that lane is undilute conservatism.

I don’t agree with Trump on everything, and he has said and done some seriously objectionable things as president. But all reasonable people must be able to give credit when its due. So I, for one, thank his administration for promoting a long-overdue gay-rights initiative on the international stage, even if the president also sees it as a convenient pretext for scoring points against Iran. As for the progressives who opposed the initiative on the basis of who happens to be sitting in the White House, they need to look in the mirror: Their ad hominem reflexes reveal a political sickness that’s tearing liberalism apart.

 

Brad Polumbo is an editor at the libertarian media nonprofit Young Voices. His work has appeared in USA Today, The Daily Beast, and National Review. You can find him on Twitter @Brad_Polumbo.

Featured image: July 19, 2006 Global Day of Protest in Washington D.C.

127 Comments

  1. Just a grammatical note. I think the past participle of ‘to hang’ when talking about the method of execution is ‘hanged’ not hung.

    • Being really pedantic it is not really grammer as both are past particibles for hang and therefore the grammer is correct. There may be a semantic issue as hanged is most commonly used of people executed by hanging wheras hung is used for everything else.

      However I think both uses of both forms are fairly common and the meaning is completely unambiguous.

      • False Profiteer says

        Yeah, but grammar is spelled with two a’s not an e. So, we all get to ignore your completely reasonable point. How’s that for pedantry, AJ?!?

        Unless grammer is a British spelling or something.

        • Rendall says

          While we’re picking nits, “undilute conservatism” is not a thing. It should be “unditlutED conservatism”

          Sadly, given the principle of “Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus” we must dismiss the arguments of this entire article.

      • martin woyzeck says

        haha….’grammar’….and you’re correcting someone else’s grammar.

    • Sadie Slays says

      Pictures are hung, people are hanged.

    • Etiamsi omnes says

      As a gay man myself I suspect he was doubly regretted by his friends after he was hanged if he was also known to be hung.

    • martin woyzeck says

      Wrong. Both ways are correct. ‘hang’ ‘hanged’ ‘hung/hanged

  2. E. Olson says

    What could explain gay support the Muslim gay-bashers in Iran and much of the Middle-East and Africa and opposition to “homophobic” President Trump who came out in support of gay marriage years before Obama, Biden, Clinton or just about any prominent Democrat? What has Trump done to earn this seemingly irrational hatred from much of the gay community? Do they prefer Muslim gay-bashers because Trump chose Mike Pence as his VP, who doesn’t support gay marriage out of religious conviction, but otherwise has displayed no animosity towards homosexuals? Do they prefer Muslim gay-bashers over Trump because he banned recruiting trannies in the military because of legitimate concerns about their impact on combat effectiveness (yea if I’m in combat I want to rely on a 110 lb female who thinks she is male, or a 160 lb male who is taking hormones to lose muscle mass so he looks and feels more like a woman, or a trannie who can’t deploy because she/he/it are recovering from sex change operations given to them at taxpayer expense)? Do they prefer Muslim gay-bashers because Trump made some gay joke at some point in his life?

    In other words, gay activists prefer to support countries that actually kill, torture, and jail homosexuals for being homosexuals, rather than the first president to use his authority and reputation to influence countries to stop killing, torturing, and jailing homosexuals. Sounds like a great strategy for winning the hearts and minds of those Americans who have reservations about the sanity and mental stability of homosexuals and transgenders.

    • Farris says

      @E Olson

      “What could explain gay support the Muslim gay-bashers in Iran and much of the Middle-East and Africa and opposition to “homophobic” President Trump who came out in support of gay marriage years before Obama, Biden, Clinton or just about any prominent Democrat? “

      Attribute it to zealots recognizing one another. All zealots on the Left are infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      • david of Kirkland says

        Funny because all Trump zealots on the rights seem similarly infected.

    • Amin says

      @ E. Olson

      “President Trump who came out in support of gay marriage years before Obama, Biden, Clinton or just about any prominent Democrat? ”

      Never mind gay marriage… Trump has made pro- and anti- gay rights statements in the past. It is what he is. His nature!

      “Mike Pence as his VP, who doesn’t support gay marriage out of religious conviction”

      Pence is more than that. And you know it too.

      “but otherwise has displayed no animosity towards homosexuals?”

      Yeah! Thanks something called Secularism and the founding fathers who enshrined it. Imagine if that wasn’t there…

      “In other words, gay activists prefer to support countries that actually kill”

      Being cuntish again?

      “rather than the first president to use his authority and reputation to influence countries to stop killing, torturing, and jailing homosexuals”

      Now that is not true at all… I like how you cook up these silly little fantasies…

      • Pappy says

        “Pence is more than that. And you know it too.”

        I don’t. I’ve never seen anyone show any evidence of that. If you have any links to support this, I’d like to see read them.

    • DNY says

      Your questions are based on the assumption that the primary point of gay activism is the well-being of homosexuals. The primary point of gay activism is, like the point of all activism on the left, to advance the interests of the left. As I have pointed out in may forums, perhaps the most fundamental commitment of the left from the time it got that name from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly down to the present day has been hatred of Christianity. Like the rest of the left, gay activists support Muslims because “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

    • E. Olson. I too have tried to understand this phenomena as well from all rational angles and have come to the conclusion there is indeed a mental health condition which is being labeled as Trump Derangement Syndrome. Only in this context does this unholy alliance make any rational sense.

    • (Prof. Emer.) Ferrel Christensen says

      As one who generally despises Trump but knows nothing of his history regarding gays, I find both E. Olson’s remark above and the original article very sensible. The one point I can make is the insanity of the idea that the pro-gay stance could somehow be directed at Iran despite Trump’s love affair (irony intended) with gay-executing Saudi Arabia. It does indeed illustrate the black-and-white illogic of both the Righteous Right and the Loony Left.

  3. George G says

    @ E. Olson

    it could be that gay rights activist and Wahhabi Muslims are in fact extremely pro- gay and pro- science:

    Iran, Islamic State (what remains of it) and Saudi, regularly conduct experiments to test whether gays were bullet proof, and also used gays to test Newton’s laws. So far every gay has been proved not to be naturally bullet proof and Newton’s Laws remain rock solid. But until they have tested this on every gay results will remain inconclusive.

    It could also be an attempt at forcing a evolutionary selection pressure on gays to create a race of Uber gays,bullet proof and capable of flight, to rule over the Islamic world.

    • E. Olson says

      George – I admire your very creative theories to explain the unexplainable. Thus the US gay community is not anti-Trump, but merely pro-science. Makes way more sense than anything I can come up with.

      • George G says

        Thanks I’ve been experimenting with a new post-modern approach to deductive reasoning. I’m calling it Foucault’s razor, I look at a problem then think of a position diametrically opposed to the truth and Bingo! Bob’s your aunty and you’ve got your answer. its great fun I can see why the grievance students / woke journalists indulge in it.

        Wahhabi Muslims will rue the day they create their gay superman, sodomy at the speed of light? no rectum can withstand that!

        • Peter from Oz says

          ”Bob’s your aunty” The American readers might not get that wonderful piece of satire.
          But it is such a simple and wonderful send-up of trannies

          • George G says

            @ Peter from Oz

            It’s a great line, I wish I could claim credit, but I’m plagiarising from a comment on Titania McGrath’s twitter.

            Your probably right I think that happens often on Quilette, Americans, Brits and Australians all speaking English but talking 3 different languages.

    • Jujucat says

      @George Now it all makes sense! All I got was bullied in my early years, never did our community get the attention we so needed and deserved. Sad to say the Islamic State is way ahead of us on gay rights. But seriously, George, that made my morning. 🙂

    • david of Kirkland says

      They do seem to love their little boys, but they’re not acting gay, it’s just traditional.

      • Hestia says

        I look forward to the day when a Muslim-ruled world will force feminists and gay women to marry 😂, while gay men will hang from trees.

  4. ga gamba says

    As Trump does that, Muslims in the UK just demanded, and won, the removal of LGBT education in a public school.

    Barely a peep from the LGBT community or the subservient allies of woke. Adjust your progressive stack scorecard because Muslims trump not only gays and lesbians, but also trans people, who I had come to understand stand atop the pinnacle.

    • ga gamba says

      Public meaning state-funded.

      I have too much American data bouncing around my head after the freedom dollar comments.

    • E. Olson says

      No doubt the UK gay community will blame this on Trump.

    • Sadie Slays says

      It was obvious which group was higher on the Leftist totem pole all the way back in 2016 when a Muslim terrorist shot up gay nightclub, and the Democrats immediately turned it into a gun ban campaign. Even then they didn’t care about Muslim violence against the LGBT community.

      • Max says

        They also advocated for firearms control after a right-wing white-nationalist shot up a Sikh temple, and after a right-wing anti-Semite shot up a synagogue. Do they also not care about Sikhs and Jews?

        • Sadie Slays says

          Hillary Clinton let the father of the Pulse Nightclub shooter sit behind her at one of her campaign rallies only weeks after the massacre. Not only did they go straight to gun control, but literally had the Muslim terrorist’s family on-stage with Hillary. WTF? Can you imagine the outrage if President Trump allowed Robert Bowers’ family sit behind him at a rally?

          • Max says

            Trump smiled in the faces of Otto Warmbier’s parents only to side with his torturer and murderer afterwards.

    • Peter from Oz says

      I think the reason the left puts islamic people at the forefront is because of the glamour of violence. To a lefty if you are prepared to kill for your cause, and your cause is opposed to western civilisation, then you must have a serious grievance. You must therefore always be appeased, no matter how many other grievance groups may lose out.
      Some have said that Christians would get a lot more respect from the left if they too were prepared to kill people who blasphemed against Christ. The problem with this is that Chrisitians are the core of Western civilisation. The left would therefore roundly condemn any Christian terrorist and move heaven and earth to squash Christian terrorism. We would see none of the mealy-mouthed hedging about how it restricts our freedom if we implemenet anti-terror laws. The war on terror would be favourably supported by the NYT, CNN, the Guardian and all the other left-wing news outlets.
      Just look at how the left keeps bringing up Charlottesville, where one person died and ignoring the Orlando gay nightclub attack where 49 people were killed.

    • Amin says

      @ga gamba

      “Barely a peep from the LGBT community or the subservient allies of woke. ”

      This is an outright lie. It was widely discussed and reported and condemned [by some] not just in the UK.

      • CAY says

        @Amin.

        I live in the US, state of CA. We are prett LGBT+ savvy here. I never heard of UK removing LGBT+ from the curriculum until now.

        Literally heard nothing. I browse MSM articles regularly and did not know of this change.

        Not in the UK of course, but just putting it out there.

        • Amin says

          @ CAY

          “I never heard of UK removing LGBT+ from the curriculum until now. ”

          Because it hasn’t. This is about just ONE ‘primary’ school, where in particular Muslim parents protested. And it wasn’t even about the whole curriculum, but rather one specific set of teachings and the way they were carried out.

          This person [ga gamba] has removed every nuance to sensationlise this.

          • ga gamba says

            I did write “in a public school”. I would think the article ‘a’ limits it to one school, specifically the one school where this has happened.

            And it wasn’t even about the whole curriculum, but rather one specific set of teachings and the way they were carried out.

            The “whole curriculum”? You mean English, maths, science, history, geography, etc.? I think LGBTQ lessons wouldn’t be part of maths class. Likely not part of geography too. I think I didn’t imply the LGBTQ lesson were solely the curriculum. How would you infer that?

            Get a grip of yourself.

          • CAY says

            @Amin

            If it was widely discussed and condemned, was then the LGBT+ portion of the curriculum reinstated?

          • Amin says

            @ ga gamba

            “Get a grip of yourself.”

            Says someone who sensationalised a story to the point of a lie. And you actually “lied” that this story was not receiving coverage from LGBT community. So why don’t you act on you own advice?

            “As Trump does that, Muslims in the UK just demanded, and won, the removal of LGBT education in a public school.”

            Yeah! Look which two acts you are weighing up…

            ” I would think the article ‘a’ limits it to one school”

            Oh you would think so… not with your emphasis it doesn’t. And it was a primary school too. And if one takes the “Muslim” bit out of it, likely you would have supported the parents!

            https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/06/those-birmingham-parents-are-right/

            “You mean English, maths, science, history, geography, etc.?”

            Nope. I mean sex ed.

            Pah! You made a big deal out of nothing whilst not bothering to comment on the actual point of contentiuon.

          • CAY says

            @Amin

            You did not respond to my question. So after all the outrage was the material reinstated?

          • ga gamba says

            And you actually “lied” that this story was not receiving coverage from LGBT community.

            OK, I wrote: “Barely a peep from the LGBT community or the subservient allies of woke.”

            I see a mismatch between what I wrote and what you think I wrote.

            Let’s perform an analysis, shall we?

            My definitions. The LGBT community will be represented by large publications such as OUT, the Advocate, Instinct magazine, and Metrosource. These publications have an online presence as well as circulations greater than 100,000.

            “Allies of the woke” are mainstream centre-left and leftwing publications such as the Guardian, the Independent, the New Statesman, and the New York Times.

            Peep will be both news reports and punditry from publications. Punditry weighs heavily in my book because the person is giving an opinion, either for or against, and often there’s a call to action as well.

            Using google I performed a keyword search for Birmingham Parkfield community school LGBT site:____ where the site is the name of the LGBT website. The keywords were not placed inside inverted commas, which provides for as wide as possible search results. The search period is from 1 March to 12 March, which are the days leading up to the decision, the day of the decision, and the days following.

            Because of limitations here in the comments section that appear to restrict the humber of hyperlinks to two, I’ve included the entire results URL, omitting http and www and replacing the dot with (dot). You may copy and paste the URL string if you like, but take care to make the appropriate corrections.

            The Advocate.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?ei=2wiIXPvYAcPp-Qa6voroCQ&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.advocate.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.advocate.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3…218303.225533..227058…0.0..0.243.3022.0j17j2……0….1..gws-wiz.-d0X_s4qG0o

            OUT.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?ei=-AmIXOKUDcb28QXk4oPYCA&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.out.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.out.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3…450600.454682..456044…0.0..0.184.775.0j5……0….1..gws-wiz.MuXHy3UcUV8

            Instinct.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?ei=eQyIXLbLB8b68gWy7rqwAg&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.instinctmagazine.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.instinctmagazine.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3…2284.2284..2751…0.0..0.142.142.0j1……0….1..gws-wiz.N_vUf_at0cs

            Metrosource.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?ei=fgyIXJGVLoif8QX0sZD4Bg&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.metrosource.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3www.Ametrosource.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3…112020.115922..117896…0.0..0.226.1766.0j8j3……0….1..gws-wiz.rfpeMjQ7agc

            The results of all four searches were zero documents found.

            The Guardian.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F1%2F2019%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F12%2F2019&ei=HhGIXOWvM5CB-Qa21LfYBQ&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.theguardian.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.theguardian.com&gs_l=psy-ab.12…158967.167341..179220…0.0..1.2350.10898.0j9j7j2j8-3j1……0….1..gws-wiz._UkSANvasNA

            Seven results, but not all unique. There are two unique news articles and two unique opinion pieces. Note: three of the other results are to sections, and all the links there connect to the same article Birmingham school stops LGBT lessons after parents protest.

            The Independent.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F1%2F2019%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F12%2F2019&ei=1xGIXJ21EcOg-QbNhbSwDw&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.independent.co.uk&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.independent.co.uk&gs_l=psy-ab.3…695079.708886..709983…0.0..3.1613.14306.2-3j4j6j5j4j1j1……0….1..gws-wiz.9JY7vpTDYZM

            There are five results, of which three point to the same one story. Two unique news reports and one opinion piece.

            The New Statesman.
            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F1%2F2019%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F12%2F2019&ei=uBSIXLD6FMymoATmo624CQ&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.newstatesman.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.newstatesman.com&gs_l=psy-ab.12…205923.221623..222961…2.0..0.447.3619.0j11j6j0j1……0….1..gws-wiz.4qp0-BSJtvc

            Zero documents found.

            The New York Times

            google(dot)com(dot)ph/search?biw=1680&bih=873&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F1%2F2019%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F12%2F2019&ei=Bh-IXO3IBcvrwQOqnKiwAQ&q=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.nytimes.com&oq=Birmingham+Parkfield+community+school+LGBT+site%3Awww.nytimes.com&gs_l=psy-ab.12…284875.289579..298450…0.0..0.2126.11529.6-1j3j2j2……0….1..gws-wiz.QE0l-7_Ui3Q

            Zero documents found.

            Using the google search Trump bans transgender military I find 451 results from the Guardian (not all unique) and 6810 results from the Advocate (not all unique).

            You may dispute my use of barely a peep, because it’s subjective, but from my perspective there is a large disparity in the reporting.

            May advice that you get a grip still stands.

            Oh, almost forgot. Spiked is not a woke outlet. Pretty much an opponent of it and the DIE agenda.

  5. The real test is whether Iran and Saudi are treated in a similar way.

  6. “First, U.S. Representative Ilhan Abdullahi Omar (D-Minn.) came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –

    Because I was not a Jew.”

    • George G says

      @Morgan Foster

      Niemöller poem needs updated to reflect modern campus culture…

      “First, U.S. Representative Ilhan Abdullahi Omar (D-Minn.) came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
      because of my “privileged” position on the intersectional oppression matrix. I acknowledge U.S. Representative Ilhan Abdullahi Omar’s unquestionable lived experience in hating “Zionists” and give my allyship and resources in support of U.S. Representative Ilhan Abdullahi Omar’s “anti racist” holocaust”

    • Max says

      Sure, stating a fact, that AIPAC levies entirely too much influence over our elected officials, is identical to advocating purges.

    • Amin says

      @ Morgan Foster

      No. You probably just put a poster of her up and calling her a terrorist.

  7. Kencathedrus says

    My take on all this is that without a society without a cohesive world view is destined to fall apart as various interest groups claw at each other for political advantage.

    On another note, what is it about Donald Trump that drives his opponents seemingly insane? I am no fan of the man (his tax policies have actually been detrimental to me), but I don’t understand what warrants all the irrational hatred directed towards him.

    • OleK says

      Because feelz…..

      It is SOOOO much more important to have unicorns and rainbows and smileys and be nice to everyone and explicitly state ALL the groups one is being nice to and be nice to THE WHOLE WORLD and to NEVER say mean things to anyone, then to actually be effective in doing things that help the country especially if one is not nice (like BAD ORANGE MAN).

    • “On another note, what is it about Donald Trump that drives his opponents seemingly insane”

      Because everyone knew their place in the swamp pecking order and it hummed right along with an oligharchy nanny state. Those with TDS, who don’t think they are in the swamp are influenced and indoctrinated by such dwellers. There are also well paid activists. Lots of them. Some are even paid to troll. Did you ever read about Bob Creamer? He ran a sort of political campaign clearinghouse for trolls, agitators, etc for the democrats. The MSM just refuses to cover it. He hired and sent agitators to Trump rallies disguised as Trump supporters. (Macron is using the same tactic in France with the yellow jackets to smear them as anti Semitic) See a recent Gatestone article.

      The 27 year old Latino young woman who cornered Sen Flake in an elevator during the Kavanaugh hearings worked for an NGO and paid a six figure salary to be an activist. You can search her name and details.

      I know a ton of activist in my community working with non profits who pay them a ton. The world of non profits is quite interesting and deserves a proctologist’s exam. People don’t see the left for what they really are.

      • Peter from Oz says

        Bob Creamer?
        Sounds like a 70s porn star

    • peanut gallery says

      Trump is a symptom of a a greater problem. (Hillary as well) He is just a lightning rod for the hate of the progressive movement. The hatred for republicans has been festering during the whole of the Obama admin, and now they can lash out and show their colors basically every day at every hour.

  8. Kencathedrus says

    @myself: Could it be that the election of Donald Trump broke some predetermined chain of events? It’s the only thing I can think of that explains the intense media frenzy against him. Maybe him becoming President thwarted some global scheme? I suspect Brexit might have done the same too.

    • Craig WIllms says

      @Kencathedrus

      I shudder to think what the world would look like today had Hillary been elected President.

      I think you are exactly right, global scheme indeed! Trump’s America First and MAGA is the monkey wrench they can’t abide by. What else could explain this unhinged reaction to Trump who for all intents and purposes is getting very good results with his actual policies as opposed to hysterical resistance to his very existence.

      As for the constant gay gay gay gay gay megaphone we are inundated with day in and day out, I had hoped that ‘gay marriage’ win would have satisfied. What was I thinking.Sigh…

      • Sadie Slays says

        It turns out that the anti-gay marriage people were right that it would only get worse if gay marriage was legalized. America was sold the idea of gay marriage, but what we got instead was children on hormones, men in women’s locker rooms, and men in women’s sports.

        • Amin says

          @ Sadie Slays

          “America was sold the idea of gay marriage, but what we got instead was children on hormones, men in women’s locker rooms, and men in women’s sports.”

          What has that got to do with Gay Marriage?

          • Max says

            She’s fired her arrow, now she’s painting the bullseye around it.

          • Craig WIllms says

            @Amin
            it’s called ‘Katie bar the doors’. The flood gates are open. The leftists are never content, soon enough it will be legal to marry your brother/sister or your dog. Think I’m kidding???

            Most of us don’t care what ‘you’ or ‘she’ or ‘the other guy’ want to do behind closed doors, but please shut up about it, and don’t make like the rest of us are suppressing you because we don’t particularly agree with certain behavior. For God’s sake we are just trying to peacefully live our own lives.

        • Max says

          @Sadie Slays

          You’re confusing gay marriage with the radical trans movement, they’re not the same. Gay marriage did not lead to disregard and contradiction of biology.

          • Sadie Slays says

            Are we conveniently dropping the “T” from LGBT now?

          • Stephanie says

            Gay marriage lead activists to find the next front in the culture war, which happened to be trans issues.

          • Max says

            @Sadie Slays

            Simply because trans individuals are included in the LGBT acronym doesn’t mean that whatever offense the trans community commits, the gay community is guilty by association.

            @Stephanie

            Those trans activists are far from likely to be the same activists who advocated for equal marriage rights as the trans activists we are witnessing today frequently attack the gay community for a myriad of perceived sleights and injustices. Among these radical trans activists, gays are opposing force.

      • Amin says

        @ Craig WIllms

        “Trump who for all intents and purposes is getting very good results with his actual policies as opposed to hysterical resistance to his very existence.”

        Really? What results? Do give examples!

        • Craig WIllms says

          @Amin
          Are you asleep? For Pete’s sake… Record low unemployment, a strong and growing economy, lowered corporate taxes, trade re-negotiations w/ Europe, Mexico, Canada and soon China. An ascending stock market. There is the undoing of harmful Obama policies toward Iran and the toothless Paris Climate accords among others. He’s strongly signaled his desire to untangle the armed forces from foreign interventions. He’s made inroads into the judiciary to stabilize constitutionally minded judges and away from hyper progressivist judges Lastly he’s made the twenty year southern invasion of United States a hot, front and center debate.

          Personally my bank account/retirement is looking better than ever, as it is for nearly everyone else.

          Is that enough?

          • Max says

            @Craig William’s

            So many pork pies in that post I put on 50 pounds just reading it.

            The corporate tax cut allowed stock buy-backs that enriched shareholders. The stock market is dodgy because because Trump is erratic in his statements, which unnerved them. No one but Trump says the Iran deal was bad, a deal that halted Iran’s nuclear ambitions. North Korea is back to expanding its nuclear capabilities. The Paris Climate Accords weren’t binding, so his vacating them was nothing more than a publicity stunt to fool his simple-minded base into believing he had accomplished something. The trade deficit that he so incessantly and aggressively ranted about are larger than ever. The wall will not be what he promised but a metal one, which Mexico will not be paying for. The only thing he’s accomplished is appointing right-wing judges.

            And no, nearly everyone elses bank account/retirements are not looking better than ever.

            I almost forgot to mention the legal shitstorm his administration is in, one that dwarfs Reagans and Nixons.

          • Amin says

            @Craig WIllms

            “Record low unemployment, a strong and growing economy”

            Nothing to do with Trump whatsoever.

            “lowered corporate taxes”

            Could be a good thing or not. Hasn’t shown results yet.

            “trade re-negotiations w/ Europe, Mexico, Canada and soon China.”

            Always goes on… and? Trump worsened diplomacy with China [although his gripe is genuine – China has been playing dirty].

            “There is the undoing of harmful Obama policies toward Iran”

            Yeah right! What the eff are you on about?

            “and the toothless Paris Climate accords among others”

            So you deny climate change?

            “He’s strongly signaled his desire to untangle the armed forces from foreign interventions.”

            No he hasn’t! Syria? Bannon? Iran?

            “He’s made inroads into the judiciary to stabilize constitutionally minded judges and away from hyper progressivist judges”

            I’ll give you half a point on that one.

            ” Lastly he’s made the twenty year southern invasion of United States a hot, front and center debate.”

            Yeah! By fucking it up! Where the Left wasn’t all so pro- Open Borders – now they are. A “proper” Republican might has actually got something done. He won’t.

            – –

            “Personally my bank account/retirement is looking better than ever, as it is for nearly everyone else. ”

            Ah well… says it all!

          • Craig WIllms says

            @Max and @Amin

            I have eyes, I can see that things are better for myself and others than they were at any time during the Obama years.

            Literally all your blowback toward my statements are debatable, disputable or false.

            We are never going to agree. I am not a sycophant, Trumpian, MAGA hat wearing tool, I didn’t even vote for him. Between that stomach turning witch and the loud mouth chest beater I didn’t vote at all.

          • Amin says

            @ Craig WIllms

            “I have eyes, I can see that things are better for myself and others than they were at any time during the Obama years.”

            Doesn’t work like that. You are biased… rose tinted glasses and all that.

            “Literally all your blowback toward my statements are debatable, disputable or false.”

            Or that it is you who is wrong! A possibility you seem unwilling to consider. And given that you are unwilling to contest this any further, that speaks volumes.

          • Max says

            @ Craig Williams

            Well, so long as you and your kin are doing better, fuck everyone else.

      • Mark M says

        One of my friends (who is gay) says that we’ve gone from “the love that dare not speak its name,” to the love that won’t shut up.

    • BrainFireBob says

      Along those lines, I think. Remember the Obama administration pushing “3% annual growth is gone, get used to it?” That was a lie without a lot of caveats. Essentially, you can’t push the ‘moral’ agenda without negative economic impact, but the rubes vote their wallets and the West is inconveniently Democratic.

      Trump promised to remove the artificial constraints they put on the economy, the rest is smoke and mirrors.

      Take going all renewables. We can, ruinously. But what makes economic sense is to de-restrict hydro and nuclear. Later, in a few centuries when nuclear fuel runs low, then switch. But they don’t want to do that. But if the economy is suppressed so you can’t tell, then they can slip it in.

      They’re Utopians.

  9. Unfortunately this is likely just another bullet in the arsenal of “reasons to invade Iran” or any other country who’s resources we want to control. I don’t think the administration is really concerned about gay rights globally.

    • Craig WIllms says

      @S
      Yeah right, the invasion of Iran is just around the corner. What BS.

    • Lydia says

      S, Does that matter? Look at the UN. Representatives from some of the most barbaric countries in the world chiding us for human rights violations. If confronting their hypocrisy saves one gay life, who cares about motives? I hate to break it to you but you sound like a fundamentalist Puritan.

  10. Lightning Rose says

    Right now I think the intersectional SJW’s are eating their own. They’re espousing radicalism for radicalism’s sake, the intellectual equivalent of running around lighting dumpster fires #RESIST!!! Somewhere in the juvenile screaming and burning they miss the fact that their “rights” have taken a quantum leap forward in their very lifetime. Who exactly has been fighting back?

    But at this point they want more–equality with the 97% is not enough, they seek status as an elevated, cosseted, celebrated, and protected class. The want the 97% to be ground face-first into the dirt every time we fail to salute their rainbow flag with suitable enthusiasm. What they’ll never get is that we normies are pretty much indifferent to anyone else’s private behavior as long as it isn’t weaponized for political clout. This goes for nanny-staters who want make the dinner plate and the transport choice political as well.

  11. Defenstrator says

    “racist, paternalistic process by which colonizing powers would decry the way men in power treated oppressed groups…to justify attacking them.“

    The lack of self awareness in this statement is breathtaking. It decscribes the left wing playbook exactly. Complain on behalf of designated oppressed group, then use the oppression stated as an excuse to attack others.

  12. Loathesome though the Iranian regime undoubtedly is, the Jerusalem Post article suggests the Iranian man was executed for kidnapping and raping two 15-year-old boys.

    • Ray Andrews says

      @johntshea

      Well then, he wasn’t even gay. According to the received doctrine.

    • Peter from Oz says

      johntshea

      That raises an interesting point.

      We never hear about ”toxic masculinity” when it comes to men raping other men. In fact homosexual rapes are hardly mentioned in the media at all.

  13. Keith says

    I think the lefts issue with this is a) in an interview someone asked trump about this initiative and he seemed to genuinely not have a clue about it. B) his pick of pence and pence’s horrible stance on lgbt rights, which if you think the only thing he’s done is be against gay marriage for religious you are wholly ignorant. C) trumps own policies have not been supportive of the lgbt community. So why would anyone look at this as a sincere attempt by the trump administration, especially since one of our major allies is one of those countries that murders lgbt people Saudi Arabia, and not as what it is, US imperialist policy against Iran.

    There is also nothing anti Semitic with representative Omar critizing Israel. Israel as it currently exist is an oppressive nation who has committed untold amounts of atrocities against the Palestinian people

    • Keith, here I was thinking that you were taking a principled stand against working with people you disagree with and that may even have ulterior motives in trying to get regressive countries to quit killing homosexuals. I think it is sad you’d turn your back on folks being persecuted like that, but I can at least follow your logic. But then you end with that dog whistle (fairly certain that’s the correct term these days, please correct me if I’m wrong) and here comes David Duke to your cause. So now I’m not sure what to think of you…

      • Lydia says

        Yes, David Duke endorsed Omar. Strange as the Democrats claimed he was aligned with Trump.

        • Max says

          He’s likely endorsing her because he, like the Republicans, believe her honesty when it comes to Israel is anti-Semitism. Apparently he’s also endorsed Tulsi Gabbard, likely based off of her old statements regarding immigration and Muslims. It’s all quite ironic given that Omar is a black, Muslim Somali and Gabbard is an Indian, Hindu Samoan.

          • Max, it appears you think Republicans alone believe what she says is antisemitic. I wonder if that’s really the case… Now I’m curious what the views of each political party are, but a quick search didn’t answer that question. I’d bet that while more Republicans believe she’s an anti-Semite there will still be a large percentage of Democrats who believe the same thing. Regardless, both sides agree David Duke is an anti-Semite and if he’s responding to what you’re saying with a head nod and support I think you should reconsider the words you’re using, unless of course you really are an anti-Semite.

        • Max says

          @CP

          The Republicans are one on the subject, the Democrats are running in circles attempting to come to a consensus on whether they should chastise her or support her. It’s my firm belief that they’re petrified that supporting her in her statement with draw accusations of anti-Semitism and criticizing her will draw accusations of sexism, misogyny, Islamophobia, and/or racism.

          There is difference between criticizing the state of Israel and bigoted attacks on Jews. I know that’s difficult for Americans to understand because they’re incapable of separating the two, but the people and the state are not one in the same.

  14. George says

    There’s a difference between trying to solve a problem and trying to use a problem for political advantage. This is just part of the game.

    • Serenity says

      Very true. For the leaders of SJW movement Trump’s impeachment is far more important than gay rights. Trump is political rival. Gay rights – just an excuse to funnel negative emotions, to antagonize people, to divide and conquer. And then blame Trump for polarizing society.

      Progressive principle of diversity, equality and inclusion does not cover political opponents: evangelicals, conservatives and Donald Trump.

  15. Max says

    Trump, without a doubt, is weaponizing the issue against Iran. That being said, to turn his weaponizing into a puerile sententiousness is just as big of an affront as the origin.

    This reminds me of the accusation levied against every white person (anyone lighter than Wesley Snipes) when they are recognized for helping a minority, fighting a terror group, etc., that’s their “white savior complex” driving them.

    • D.B. Cooper says

      @Max

      Trump, without a doubt, is weaponizing the issue against Iran. That being said, to turn his weaponizing into a puerile sententiousness is just as big of an affront as the origin.

      Let’s grant for moment that you’re right. That Trump doesn’t, necessarily, have a ‘sincere’ desire to champion gay rights through the Middle East, but is, in fact, using the issue as leverage against Iran. While I would agree this is a very real possibliity, I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that Trump is explicitly anti-gay and would actually perfer gays not to have rights in the Middle East. I think at worst, he’s indifferent.

      At any rate, even if it were the case that Trump was using the issue as a means for leverage, can you not do the ‘right thing’ for the ‘wrong reason’? Although if Trump were indifferent about gay rights, then doing the ‘right thing’ would be something closer to ‘icing on top’.

      • Max says

        I don’t think Trump is a homophobe, he’s an opportunist. If the ends justify means, that’s good enough for him. I KNOW Pence is a homophobe, and he’s the influence that concerns me as far as this issue goes.

        When hearing the phrase “right thing, for the wrong reason” I cant help but think of the phrase “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

        That aside. Trump is not doing the right thing by condemning Iran while doing little, if anything, to secure safety and rights for the LGBT community at home. I should also mention that while condemning Iran he continues to turn a blind eye to purges of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia and the Philippines.

        • D.B. Cooper says

          Trump is absolutely an opportunist. I think most people would agree with that. But what’s also true is that the ends have justified the means for every president, including Lincoln when he suspended Habeas Corpus. I would grant that most – if not all others – have been more tactful in their duplicity, but saying that Trump has a Machiavellian streak is to say nothing at all when viewed against the presidents before him. With respect to Pence, I’m not sure I agree with you that he’s a “homophobe.” I don’t think there’s any evidence to claim that he has an irrational fear/aversion to gay people. There’s no doubt he believe homosexual behavior is wrong; and therefore, doesn’t agree with it on religious grounds, but an irrational fear of gay people? Nah.

          Trump is not doing the right thing by condemning Iran while doing little, if anything, to secure safety and rights for the LGBT community at home.

          This is nonsense. Claiming that Trump isn’t doing the right thing by condemning Iran b/c he isn’t securing rights for the LGBT community at home is a textbook relative privation fallacy. That’s like saying you shouldn’t donate to an overseas children’s fund because there’s kids in America who are poor. Come on, that’s ridiculous.

          Also, you’re conflating gays with the LGBT community. Those aren’t necessarily the same thing. The apples-to-apples comparison is Iranian gays and American gays, and I’m not aware of Trump every being anti-gay or not “secur[ing]” rights for gays (whatever that means). Btw, what rights are you referring to?

          • Max says

            @D.B. Cooper

            For christ’s sake, the man wont converse with a woman alone, that’s irrational. Women aren’t going to throw themselves at you and if you maintain the discipline you believe yourself to have them there is nothing to worry about. Pence is an old-school acetic Jesus freak. I’m surprised he hasn’t flagellated himself for being in the presence of so many unholy harpies.

            An individual can’t ignore the plights of a community at home but redeem themselves by hurling rhetoric in that communities defense to offenders abroad. If I neglect my child at home but donate to Make a Wish, that doesn’t make me a good person.

            Trump has most certainly ignored the LGBT community, as he has done with every other issue and community that doesn’t offer and immediate benefit to his overall goal.

          • Max says

            @Heike

            While I agree that the #MeToo movement has gone too far, it is far from a valid justification for treating interactions between men and women as dangerous, de facto.

            What needs to change is not the male/female interaction dynamic but the definition of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, back to what it was. The problem is that liberals and leftists are either obfuscating or amending the definitions of words so that they can either be applied to a significantly broader scope of actions or be applied to any and every action, with a little bit of Freudian analysis.

            If we all act like Mike Penis, we capitulate to the irrational and radical.

        • Stephenitisok says

          Never has the expression, damned if you do, damned if you don’t, been more appropriate.

          • Heike says

            There are many people out there who declined to follow the Pence rule, and were falsely accused as a result. It is certainly NOT an irrational policy.

    • Heike says

      @Max The Innocence Project exonerated men who had been falsely imprisoned for crimes they hadn’t committed. Want to know what the number one crime of exoneration for that project was? Rape.

      Rape charge dropped against USC student after video surfaces.
      “I could get suspended or expelled from the university even though the judge has declared me innocent.” If it wasn’t for that video, he would of been in jail for life.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQvSEGqwiUI
      And USC threw him out of college even after all of this anyway.

      HE’s the victim but HER face is blurred. Smh. There was no rape; ergo rape shield laws are not applicable. What kind of TV station blurs the face of the perp? She just felt ashamed after going to bed with an Indian man and had a severe case of regret the next day.

      The Pence Rule. It’s a solid rule. Perhaps regrettable, but seeing the huge penalties for men and the high rate of false accusations, men cannot be faulted for applying it. Men are only behaving rationally in the face of a motivator. I don’t see the situation changing any time soon. The Left loves its new weapon against men and uses it liberally. Social justice is a surveillance culture, a snitch culture. They are always on alert for the smallest infraction and confirmation bias ensures they’ll see violations everywhere. There was a story about a mayor somewhere who was SURE she was the victim of a hate crime. Called the police, made a rush to judgment on social media, was supported by many people. It turned out that she had pollen on her car. The Pence Rule is a solid antidote to such insanity.

      • Max says

        @Heike

        You lambast the #MeToo and larger SJW movement and in the same breath advocate for capitulating to their demands for prostration. You’re welcome to concede ground to this nonsense, I won’t.

        And Pence has not adopted this behavior in the last few years, he’s always been an ascetic to demureness.

      • Max says

        @Heike

        There’s a difference between exonerating the wrongfully convicted and false accusations of rape. I don’t dispute that there exists false accusations of rape, I don’t agree with some of the guidelines of Title IX, however I refuse to change the way I navigate life as a result of them. Terrorism isn’t about inflicting casualties but instilling such fear and panic in a populace that they can no longer continue their lives in the fashion in which they once did.

        • Sean says

          @Max
          Not sure why you’re so down on Pence for not wanting to meet with women alone. He is concerned with protecting himself from potentially false allegations. It’s not that he won’t meet with women, he just wants a 3rd person there. There is no downside to women due to this desire to have another person present.

          • Max says

            Yet he’s been doing it well before the spike in weak and false accusations. That level of asceticism communicates someone far more conservative than they are leading on, which is concerning as he’s the vice president. I wouldn’t want some “abolish religion” atheist as vice president either.

            The question is WHY does he require a chaperone? If he’s firm in his convictions then there is no concern as the issue applies to him. He requires a chaperone because he is suspicious of women in general. Like I said, that type and level of suspicion reminds me sailor’s superstition. Now we haven’t head much from Pence, primarily because Trump won’t shut the fuck up, but it does concern me what his ideological objectives might be.

        • Sean says

          @Max
          Not sure how long he’s been doing this makes any difference. Maybe he’s always been cautious.

          The reality is nothing that Trump (or Pence for that matter) does would make you happy. If something goes well under his watch, it has nothing to do with him. If things go badly under his watch then it’s his fault. If he makes a joke then he’s flippant. If there is more than one way to interpret something he says or does, for you there is only one way to interpret it and that is the worst possible scenario.

          You have a classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

        • Big Jim Slade says

          however I refuse to change the way I navigate life as a result of them.

          Probably don’t steer around potholes either. Any given one of them probably won’t foul up your front end alignment or blow your tire, so just let the car keep hitting them, right?

  16. Lydia says

    “That aside. Trump is not doing the right thing by condemning Iran while doing little, if anything, to secure safety and rights for the LGBT community at home.”

    What rights do they not currently have? Special rights I don’t have? what sort of safety are you referring to? Safe from disagreement? Heck, I am not safe.

    • Max says

      @Lydia

      Your sound like an SJW, “I’m a victim too, you know.”

      Homosexuals, male and female, experience highers levels of violence of a myriad of types, some stemming from outside ignorance, others from issues within the community. Those are issues Trump could, at the very least, acknowledge, and perhaps denounce those offenses.

      • CAY says

        @max

        I do not think the reason Pence will not meet with a woman alone has anything to do with anyone throwing themselves at each other.

        Also, when you say the president ignores the LGBT+ Community what do you mean? What does actions are you expecting? This is a genuine question.

        The reason I ask (so you know where I am coming from) is that there are very many groups that are plagued with violence and other issues that aren’t addressed.

        LGBT+ are not the only ones with issues, but often they get the spotlight.

        • Max says

          @Cay

          Not literally throwing themselves at him. Pence’s attitude toward private engagement border on the type of superstition sailors had about women on ships, that nothing good can come of it, only bad. That’s irrational.

          Trump has rolled back protections for the LGBT community, so I suppose he hasn’t IGNORED them. You honestly expect me to believe that an individual that can’t even condemn attacks on others seriously cares about the plights of that segment of society in a country that he has demonized for years? Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

          • CAY says

            @Max

            Don’t worry I don’t think anyone here will piss on your leg 😉

            I live in a multicultural area, LA, CA. I have met, worked with and done business with all sortsof people. I met several very religious, Non-christian, men who asked me to refrain from shaking hands/touching, and/or being alone in private. They were respectful and I was able to conduct business no problem.

            I took these interractions not as rude or superstitious but rather as them not wanting to create intimacy.

            I am not sure what your experience with different religious persons are but the way you wrote seemed as though you have not interracted with many.

            As far as protections Trump rolled back which ones are you concerned about?

            I am not sure which attacks the president ignored… did he not condemn the Jussie Smollett attack before they were deemed a hoax?

          • Max says

            @Cay

            If Pence were as simple a man as “it’s against my religion”, that would be the end of it. Pence’s history as it pertains to his attitudes towards women and LGBT folk, suggest it’s not a case of religion but an underlying sexism.

            And I’ve had countless interactions with other religions. Oddly enough, the most tolerant people I’ve met have seen conservative Muslims.

            Trump rolled back LGBT protections as they pertain to employee discrimination.

          • CAY says

            @Max

            As far as I am aware LGBT+ has equal protection under the law as employees. They are a protected class. You cannot fire someone because they are gay, hiv positive, or trans etc. That is actionable.

            Which employee protection do they no longer have have under President Trump?

            As far as Pence’s history with women and LGBT+ you mention his attitude.

            When you say attitude, what incident or behavior would point to more than a religious stance with Pence in regards to women or LGBT+?

          • Max says

            @ Cay

            Trump signed an order eliminating the requirement of proof that an employer did not fire an individual due to the orientation. That lack of that requirement opens the door to the firing of individuals based on orientation. There was zero need to eliminate that requirement as proving an employee was fired for something valid is not difficult if the employee is indeed negligent.

            I would ask you where have you witnessed anyone requiring a chaperone or flat out refusing to meet privately with a member of the opposite sex? I haven’t even heard or witnessed anything of the like among my conservative Muslim acquaintances.

  17. William Conlon says

    Being homosexual and a conservative is an oxymoron.

  18. “But all reasonable people must be able to give credit when its due.” Yes! Since nitpicking is going around, there should be an apostrophe in “it’s”. “it’s” = “it is”; “its” = “belonging to it”.

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  20. John G Lammi says

    I came out in 1970, and I can say that T’s have absolutely nothing to do with gay folks (except that many “t’s” are actually simply gay). This anti-Trumo hysteria is clearly a manifestation of not accepting oneself as gay and needing a group’s approval.

  21. John G Lammi says

    Trump is the only candidate who came out immediately to condemn the attack in Orlando unlike Obama and Hillary, who finally came out against guns. Hillary then put the notoriously antigay father of the killer right behind her at a subsequent rally (to signal her hatred of gays folks?). Wiki leaks revealed her aids commenting on how she dislikes gay folks.

    • Max says

      Condemned it by exploiting it to hock his anti-Arab, anti-Muslim rhetoric. So noble.

    • Amin says

      @ John G Lammi

      “Trump is the only candidate who came out immediately to condemn the attack in Orlando unlike Obama and Hillary”

      You are not fucking serious are you? Do you really think those two wouldn’t condemn this atrocity? Why wouldn’t they?

      “Wiki leaks revealed her aids commenting on how she dislikes gay folks.”

      Dopubt it. Reference?

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  23. Henrie says

    Didn’t Trump come out the next day to say he had no idea what this so called gay-rights-championing-initiative was about? How are we supposed to take any of this seriously given Trump’s own record, his viciously homophobic VP and the fact that this is just a pretext for confrontation with Iran?

  24. Jordan Peterson: “Set your own house in perfect order before you criticize the world.”
    Leftist 1: “That position is effectively apologizing for systems of oppression. Since it’s impossible for your own house to ever be in completely perfect order, systemic problems will, conveniently, never be criticized.”

    Donald Trump: “Other countries shouldn’t treat people as criminals simply for being gay.”
    Leftist 2: “Excuse me? Don’t you think that you should look at your own record on gay rights, Mr. Trump?”

    Clearly, what’s going to happen now is that Leftist 1 will criticize Leftist 2 for being an implicit apologist for the persecution of homosexuals. Meanwhile, clearly, Peterson and his followers will criticize Trump for trying to change the world while their own house isn’t in perfect order with regards to gay rights.

    Clearly, that’s what’s going to happen. Clearly.

    • Max says

      Peterson, with that statement, is tell people to shut up. No one’s house is ever in perfect order, we’re all a work-in-progress, and because so he’s advocating for complacency and isolation at an individual level.

      I’ve said it before, many others here have as well, Trump does not give two shiny shites about gays or whether Iran changes its attitude towards them, it’s a publicity stunt. We all know Iran is not going to change they policy towards gays so why don’t we improve the condition here? I’ll answer that question for you, because that would require action, and Trump’s criticism of Iran is free.

  25. “Peterson, with that statement, is tell people to shut up. No one’s house is ever in perfect order, we’re all a work-in-progress, and because so he’s advocating for complacency and isolation at an individual level.”

    That’s a good point. I think that if you remove the word “perfect” from Peterson’s “rule”, then it’s a reasonable idea, but with the word there, it’s hard not to see it as a cynical way to shut people up.

    “_____ does not give two shiny shites about _____ or whether ________, it’s a publicity stunt.”

    Fill in the blanks with other words, and this is pretty close to the script used by right-wingers when accusing someone of “virtue signalling”. In both cases, I don’t think it’s useful or productive to immediately jump to the most cynical interpretation of someone’s motives (in this case, even if Trump really doesn’t give a shit, I think that Grenell still does). In any event, we’ll know soon enough whether this policy actually intends to help gay people; the test will be whether it applies to Saudi Arabia. Until then, I’ll remain agnostic on the question of what the real motives for this policy are.

    “We all know Iran is not going to change they policy towards gays”

    Do we? It certainly doesn’t seem very likely that it will change any time soon. Then again, when the international pressure campaign on South Africa to abandon its apartheid system began, it probably seemed pretty unlikely that that would succeed either (indeed, cynical people at the time might have said that it was just a way for some of the countries involved to deflect attention away from their own less-than-perfect records on race). So I’m not willing to completely discount the chances of this policy succeeding, at least not yet. Of course, whether or not it succeeds will largely depend on the details, of which we currently know little (although the fact that activists from the countries targeted are not currently part of the discussions is not a good sign).

    • Max says

      @BenL

      I take issue with both parties pulling publicity stunts in an effort to score points. I have lambasted the millennial left for faux outrage in response to countless “offences” while ignoring the same, or very real, offences perpetrated elsewhere.

      Well no, Iran COULD shock the world and change their stance, however I highly doubt it. The difference between Iran and South Africa is that Iran has already been crippled by sanctions, while South Africa was chugging along before the mass divestment spurred by protests. Theoretically, Iran could change their stance in an effort to get sanctions lifted however the sanctions having nothing to do with the LGBT community and everything to do with their nuclear program. In that case, the sanctions are one carrot, the LGBT stance and nuclear program are two sticks, Iran is only going to trade one-for-one.

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