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A Witch-Hunt on Instagram

“Knitting is just so white. Let’s hope it gets better.” I overheard this puzzling remark in my local yarn store in Edinburgh, Scotland, last week. The store is in the affluent area of Marchmont, just outside the city centre. Its Edwardian and Victorian tenement flats, adjacent to huge green spaces, are popular with students and families alike. Two customers were chatting to the store owner: “It’s about time we had the conversation,” one of them offered. Her companion nodded in solemn agreement.

Knitting, which helps lower the blood pressure and keep the mind busy, has enjoyed an upsurge in popularity in recent years. The Internet has allowed for the proliferation of new platforms from which to buy yarn and patterns, and has helped connect artisans and hobbyists worldwide. Usually, it’s a calming and creative pastime focussed on aesthetics rather than politics. However, a short browse through the knitting posts on Instagram steered me in the direction of the source of the exchange I had overhead and the “conversation” it had produced.

On January 7, Karen Templer, a knitting designer and owner of the online store Fringe Association, published an innocuous blog post on her website entitled “2019: My Year of Colour,” in which she enthused about her forthcoming trip to India. To most observers, Templer’s post will read like a guileless account of her hopes and aspirations for her upcoming travels:

I’ve wanted to go to India for as long as I can remember. I’ve a lifelong obsession with the literature and history of the continent. Photos of India fill me with longing like no other place. One of my closest friends [when I was 12] and her family had offered back then that if I ever wanted to go with them on one of their trips, I could. To a suburban midwestern teenager with a severe anxiety disorder, that was like being offered a seat on a flight to Mars. … Then about six weeks ago, the opportunity presented itself—a chance to go with a friend who’s been. … I said yes. And I felt like the top of my head was going to fly off, I was so indescribably excited. Within 48 hours, three of those friends of mine who are so much better travelers than me—but who are all equally humbled at the idea of actually going to India—also said yes. There has hardly been a single day since that I haven’t said in disbelief, either in my head or out loud, I’m going to India.

And what on earth could be wrong with any of that? Rather a lot, it turns out. After a series of encouraging posts from well-wishers, the comment thread took an aggressively inquisitorial turn. Templer’s previous posts had typically garnered between three and 30 comments, but “My Year of Color” has 197 at the time of writing.

One of the first people to attack Templer was a user named Alex J. Klein who wrote:

Karen, I’d ask you to re-read what you wrote and think about how your words feed into a colonial/imperialist mindset toward India and other non-Western countries. Multiple times you compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet—how do you think a person from India would feel to hear that?

Templer politely explained that Mars and India both felt unattainable to her as a child. This comparison did not strike her as imperialist, but she promised to give the matter some thought. “I have had responses from several Indian friends and readers today,” she added, “who had nothing but positive and encouraging responses. I’ll have to see if anything I said offended them.” Evidently unimpressed, Klein retorted:

Instead of asking your Indian friends to perform more emotional labor for you and assuage your white women’s tears, maybe do some reflection on how your equation of India with an alien world reinforces an “other” mindset that is at the core of imperialism and colonialism.

“I want to say this gently,” a comment from a user identified only as Sarah began, “because I can tell your intent is to share your personal evolution and celebrate facing your fear of the unknown, and that’s great. I just need to point out that there’s a lot of “othering” happening in this post.” She went on to explain that, “Your post upset some of my friends who aren’t white [and] who didn’t grow up in America,” and advised Templer to engage in “a little more reflection before you equate India with Mars.”

In an ominous development, previously supportive commenters now began to turn against Templer. Marie Carter, who had originally written, ”You are even  more inspiring than I thought,” seemed to have had a change of mind three days later, and returned to correct herself:

I have read through the entire post again, and I am ashamed to say that I failed to consider the impact of this post on all of us non-white people. I skipped over the offensive parts because this space is so important to my well being [sic]. But my heart hurts and I won’t be able to live with myself unless I acknowledge the pain to me and others like me of the words used. I am no longer going to say nothing.

“Same here,” replied “Liz n.” (a “biracial POC”) a day later.

On and on it went. Templer patiently fielded these criticisms as best she could, but her inquisitors were not satisfied. “It is really disappointing,” announced Joey, “to see your defensive and dismissive responses to the two thoughtful posts that point out some of the problematic aspects of your writing. As white person to another white person, we NEED to take feedback with respect and integrity. … Instead of your “year of color” being about wearing brighter clothing, why don’t you make 2019 investing in contributing to people of color, buying their art, listening to their podcasts, following them, contributing money to them, buying literature written by POC.”

Comments like these set off a wave of critical voices across knitting communities on sites like Ravelry.com, the biggest source of online knitting patterns by independent designers from around the world and the home of many knitting chat forums. Most of the criticism amounted to sharing words written by knitting activists @su.krita and @thecolormustard, who posted “educational” content on their profiles for others to circulate. Instagram notes scorned Templer’s “peak whiteness,” and reminded her that “the world doesn’t owe you a patient explanation and education” and that as a “coloniser” she ought to “stay in [her] lane.” Su.krita also warned her white knitter friends that if they stayed silent and didn’t speak up against racism then they would be considered “part of the problem.”

For anyone unfamiliar with the jargon of contemporary anti-racism, the criticism of Templer reflects the movement’s more general critique of Western society. Overt racism, which anyone would agree is abhorrent, is not their main focus; rather, they are preoccupied with identifying subtle, implicit, and often unconscious manifestations of bias which, by their nature, are almost impossible to refute. In this fraught climate, writers may be shamed as racists, irrespective of their good intentions which are held to be irrelevant. As Jonathan Haidt, the American social psychologist, observed during a recent conversation with Joe Rogan, “It doesn’t matter what the intent was, all that matters is the impact—how the person felt.” When confronted with accusations of bigotry, white people are expected to confess to their primordial sins, repent by acknowledging their racial privilege, and to resolve to “do better.” Only then may they be granted absolution by the anti-racist clergy.

As outrage spread across Instagram’s knitting community, Templer published a new post on her blog entitled “Words Matter,” in which she prostrated herself before her critics and asked for their forgiveness:

I have hurt, angered and disappointed a lot of people this week with my insensitive post about my upcoming trip to India and my handling of the response, and I am deeply sorry about it. I’ve spent the week listening hard, learning (in part about how much more I have to learn), and thinking about all of the things I can do to be more inclusive and supportive of people of color.

She reassured everyone that she was “shocked at herself” and was now reading The Origin of Others by Toni Morrison, as instructed.

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Amid the conformist cacophony of affirming antiracists, however, one knitter decided to object.

Maria Tusken of Tuskenknits.com posted the video above on YouTube in response to criticism she’d received in a (since deleted) Instagram post. She began by explaining that Instagram had been enormously helpful in growing her business, before announcing that, after nearly four years on the platform, she would be taking an indefinite break. Referring to the mobbing of Karen Templer, Tusken said:

There was a very intense social justice issue that started infiltrating Instagram a few weeks ago. I would say it was very hostile, and people were being attacked and threatened and accused of things—small businesses, like mine, or slightly bigger with a few employees but still very small—all in the name of this social justice issue. And everyone was saying, “It’s a conversation.” But it is not a conversation. It’s a one-sided….belief? And there was no room for discussion. It was just arguments; trolling; bullying.

Tusken dyes wool from her home in the countryside outside of Seattle, and uses wool from small farms in Peru and the UK. For her criticisms of those hounding Templer, Tusken found that she was now also the target of the mob. Having found the majority of her customers through Instagram, she was suddenly losing thousands of followers as she weathered a barrage of criticism, and was forced to make her account private.

“It will be easy to boycott this person,” wrote an Instagram user with the handle @knitterotica. “No amount of reason will change a zealot like Tuskenknits’ mind, but we can make sure they feel their hatred reflected in their bank accounts and their follower counts until they are crying into a void.” Another Instagram user, @webloom, published a post in which she asked: “How does [Tuskenknits] still have 10,000 followers? Hope they keep dwindling. She doesn’t deserve our support.” Another user, @melthengineerknits offered Tuskenknits’s customers the opportunity to offload their “unwanted yarn” in exchange for “yarn art.”

It wasn’t long before the knitting establishment weighed in, and not in favour of Tusken. Kate Heppell, the editor of British knitting magazine Knit Now, posted a short tweet-thread about her, part of which read:

To one of Heppell’s tweets, Dave Fraser (@discodave75) replied: “I‘d love to say I watched the whole video to make an informed decision about her, but I was blinded by her (literally) gleaming white face.” This childish insult was liked by Heppell.

The “whiteness in knitting” debate seems to have arisen from the demands of “BIPOC” (Black, Indigenous, and People Of Colour) knitters and their allies for greater representation in terms of knitting designers, models featured in patterns, and well known knitting artists. Rapidly, knitters on Instagram started using hashtags such as #pocknitters and #diversknitty, and there were calls to support POC knitters by buying from them (if they owned a business) and following them, and to “buy them a coffee” by donating money to their Patreon accounts. “Train your feed!” became the new mantra, as users accused Instagram of not showing people of colour in feeds.

At Ravelry, a heavily moderated discussion took place, suggesting ways in which the site should use positive discrimination to show more patterns by non-white designers. Knitting has varied traditions and origins from across the globe, but it is particularly popular in Scandinavia where even small towns typically have a well-stocked wool shop. Arne & Carlos, the Norwegian/Swedish knitting design duo, who have 55,000 followers on Instagram, dipped their toe in the mud with a post in which they thanked the “incredibly courageous women“ such as @su.krita for drawing attention to the issues of diversity and alleged racism. “We all have so much to learn and there is a great deal more we can do, in order to make this world a better and more inclusive one for everyone.”

In an age in which freedom of speech seems to be under attack in many different spheres of society, heretics to the progressive creed find themselves persecuted ad nauseam by a choir of the self-righteous. This kind of vindictive activism has been described by Jordan Peterson as a hunt for people who dare to disagree. “What’s happening on the radical end of the political spectrum is not good. But the conservatives are too afraid. They’re afraid they will be targeted as individuals, mobbed by the social justice warriors, and taken out,” he said in an interview with the Epoch Times. The writer and activist James Lindsay, meanwhile, told me that campaigns like these are simply “a power grab thinly clothed as a civil rights movement.”

Karen Templer surrendered to her accusers and, although some of her critics remain adamant that she has not done enough for diversity, she seems to have been accepted back in the clique of “BIPOC knitter friendly” knitting activists. ”I think perhaps the original intent of this discussion has been hijacked in an effort to attack and accuse people who disagree with the methods of implementing change,” Tusken told me in an email. “This debate has caused a lot of division, but the divide isn’t between racists and non-racists. It is between those who agree and those who disagree with the bullying, harassment, and virtue-signalling tactics currently being used to solve the problem.” She says she has received support from many well-known names in the knitting industry. Of her accusers, Tusken said: “I have known for a long time that the knitting community wasn’t as supportive and loving as everyone claimed. In reality there are strong cliques and it can be difficult to fit in. There have been many times I’ve had to keep my mouth shut due to fear of something like this happening. I have been called a ‘hateful racist POS [piece of shit].’ But this didn’t hurt nearly as bad as being called a horrible person and publicly denounced by ‘friends’ who I have met in person and built relationships with.” She was even accused of being a neo-Nazi because she enjoys drinking Guinness. But as incongruous as cruelty and knitting might seem, this is no laughing matter. People’s livelihoods are being credibly threatened by this kind of behaviour. “You can be bullied and destroyed,” Tusken told me.

Knitting is the simple pleasure of turning a ball of yarn into something practical and beautiful. As Elizabeth Zimmermann, the British born hand knitting teacher and designer once said, “Properly practiced, knitting soothes the troubled spirit, and it doesn’t hurt the untroubled spirit either.” Let’s hope the world of knitting can return to a focus on designs, colours, and the value of something that’s unique and handmade, rather than the nationality or race of whoever made it.

 

Kathrine Jebsen Moore grew up in Norway, studied Media and Print Journalism in London, and worked at Bloomberg News until 2009, covering financial news, specialising in oil & gas and fishing. She now lives with her husband and four children in Edinburgh. She is a freelance writer and avid knitter and you can follow her on Twitter @moorjebsen

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  1. It seems to me that the most appropriate response to this kind of social media witch-hunt nattering is to tell these nitwits to fuck off. Who in hell needs to engage with these people?

    • Sully Torsman says

      My thoughts exactly. I only read the first few paragraphs and the boredom set it. I’ve had a great fun recently telling these prigs to fuck off at every opportunity. Blogs aren’t real. Twitter isn’t real. Its all rubbish. In fact, Quillette comments aren’t real…goodbye…

      • Carolynn Gockel says

        For these people, and YA authors who’ve been attacked lately, social media is real and their livelihoods can be destroyed by these sorts of campaigns.

    • bumble bee says

      What is going on is social terrorism. Their only goal is to shame and abuse people for who they are, and as stated in the article their good intentions. They are equivalent to spell checker except it’s used for a social agenda. They do not read for intent, but microscan each word and because they themselves are brainwashed with an agenda, will pounce on anything they can interpret down to and including the race of the person.

      Most people do not have the personal convictions to know who they are enough to challenge these terrorists. The vast majority of people have been steeped enough in social issues, through school, college, social media, to understand that racism, colonialism, etc is a social disgrace. They do not however have the courage to be able to call out BS when they see it because what they have been falsely accused of is so abhorrent. They have been charged with a crime by people who do not know them, nor what their attitudes and behaviors are in relation to this charge. Then when you factor in such concepts as White Privilege, which is dubious in its own right, you have people who want to promote that at every turn.

      Social media is their soapbox, their platform like those of the past who would rant in the public square. However, instead of just speaking to anyone that will listen, they have now gotten off their soapbox and have started going up to people and focusing all their frustrations on individuals. If people would just get off social media all together, there would be no one listening to their aggressive bullying, harassing rants. Imaging sitting in a public park, minding your own business, and some nut comes up and starts verbally assaulting you because of who you are. One can make a solid argument that this current concept of social harassing is a perverted form of reverse racism that is utilized in their eyes as an acceptable form of knowing how others live or have lived.

      What people don’t realize, since they have been so broadsided by someone labeling them, is that facts usually sink their argument. This woman should not have apologized, but have let these people explain their accusations for labeling her as such. Even as a last resort, to just come out and state clearly that they are wrong in their “diagnosis” of who she is. For the most part, these social terrorists are just regurgitating a half-baked understanding of something they not only know little about, but lacks any real wisdom to address and confront real racism, colonialism.

      • thousandleaves says

        “What people don’t realize, since they have been so broadsided by someone labeling them, is that facts usually sink their argument.”

        What facts can you or I provide? Much of the issues stated by the agitators refer to how they (or someone they happen to know) felt about the post. How well will that go over, telling someone, no matter how nicely, that they’re wrong in the way they feel?

        “For the most part, these social terrorists are just regurgitating a half-baked understanding of something they not only know little about, but lacks any real wisdom to address and confront real racism, colonialism.”

        Exactly.

        • I disagree. I think they are all well aware of the true facts and honestly they don’t give a shit about it or racism or anything they use as a reason behind their attacks. Only reason they do it is to feel power and feed their narcissistic needs for validation. No matter how much a defender tries to reason, share facts or even apologize out of shear pressure and being mobbed, these low life’s will not back down, in fact it will feed them to attack more, because they don’t care about you or those they are falsely implying they are outraged for. They don’t care, period! There only goal and desire is to break you which gives them satisfaction. Don’t give them satisfaction by trying to reason or defend yourself. Turn it on them. They are the aggressors. They’re more likely to be the racists, bigots and oppressors whom they accuse others to be.

          • Jason Storms says

            Rob, you hit the nail on the head! That is exactly it. Poor character preceeded and enabled their being brainwashed and mobilized into this narcissistic crusade.

          • James Lewthwaite says

            Use their language against them!

        • James Lewthwaite says

          We know exactly who the “agitators” are. And this can help understand them. The clue to this is in the mention of “othering” – this tells me she has been taught this in university and is now reading everything with a critical eye, problematising everything. She now has a guilty party to blame for everything wrong in the world and her life. Not only that, in pointing it out – she is winning, being virtuous and it gives here a noble purpose, an activist!

          Clearly a brainwashed and likely unemployable graduate.

          Her view does not consider the actual intent and motivation of the speaker and instead (like you said) focuses on perceived effects of the speech and that is enough to assign guilt – a literal modern day Witchfinder General. By parroting racism/colonialism etc as a ready made conclusion to everything they see, they also presume the intent of the speaker, but again, if it all about the effect of the words – there was no negative intent there, so NEVER EVER apologise!!!

          I’m studying an MA and I’ve heard confused students in the library, desperately trying to explain to each other and justify (while working on their assignments) why all sorts of issues are the fault of racism, colonialism, etc. Anything that is said, any group that is not perfectly represented in any given set of stats, is because of ____ism. No evidence? Say its systemic. Less than 50% of xxx are female = sexism. Over 75% of xxx are non-white = racism. No evidence = systemic.

          Doctor points out you’re overweight? Systemic patriarchal thin-privileged oppression.

          You can easily pass, as long as your conclusion is West bad, racism, sexism etc, but the students sometimes have to make massive mental and linguistic gymnastic leaps to justify this- and they get flustered… I’ve heard some on the brink of “waking up”, I’m sure some, deep down, think “this is all bullshit”, but dare not speak.

          Use of the language of the soft sciences – say critical discourse analysis – are all based on a view of the world through power dynamics. They can be easily subverted. And this is what I am doing for my dissertation. The hypothesis and methods have been agreed so far with no push back, but I’m treading carefully…

      • kddomingue says

        Social terrorists…..that’s exactly what they are. And yet to try to reason with them using facts lands you in a quagmire because everything they say is based on how what you said made them feel. How do you get through to or defend yourself against something as nebulous as “you made me feel….” even when you meant no insult to anyone?

      • Ryder Spearmann says

        In short, the problem is activism. There ya go, in just 4 words.

    • Danny Freemkort says

      “tell these nitwits to fuck off”

      Close. Not responding or reacting in any way is the best way to handle it. You are their oxygen. Without your response they first get infuriated, and then they go away. Whatever you were doing before this started, continue to do it. Don’t change in any way, including blocking.

      • stevengregg says

        I disagree. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. You must stand up to bullies, always, because they will go as far as you let them.

        • Miles says

          The real solution would have been to simply delete the SJW posts as they appeared on her blog. Would have been a lot of work for a while but still.

        • John Davis says

          Not sure I agree. When I was a kid at school, I usually found that ignoring bullies worked best. What they want is a reaction. Obviously, not all bullying can be ignored, but “social justice” is all about making you admit your own faults and apologizing.

      • Ryder Spearmann says

        It’s important to respond… but in a way that shows you regard them as child-minded idiots with too much time on their hands… signed “You guys are hilarious! Thanks for the laugh… but I won’t waste more time with children. I like the company of adults. Have a SUPER day, snowflakes.”

        Ridicule… it is very effective… don’t give an inch, and don’t engage.

    • Lightning Rose says

      Precisely. Screw the Ruling Class nailed it.

      Question One: Why in the world is everyone suddenly COMPELLED to post every. single. thing. they think, do, eat or plan on social media? All you’re doing is INVITING this sort of useless trolling by mentally-ill morons with time on their hands who exist to make everything “political.” Keep your life private, possibility of “problems” completely disappears.

      Question Two: Why in the world engage in arguments with said mentally-ill morons? Ignore them and they’ll be gone fast–like all juvenile bullies, they’re looking for a reaction from their target–when they don’t get one, they find another target for their onanistic gratification. An alternative is a credible threat to doxx them; they tend to melt like the snowflakes they are.

      Suggestion: If EVERYONE ignored this stuff, it would cease to be a “thing” pretty fast! William Shatner nailed it many years ago: “Get a LIFE!”

      • In my reply to this post you might my response which is: GPS – Go Pound Sand!

      • Angela says

        Well in the article the victims depended on engaging social media to grow their small businesses.

    • If you want to keep it a little less vulgar, how about GPS – Go Pound Sand!

    • david of Kirkland says

      Indeed. Clearly, those responders are the ones with small minds, a racists proclivity, and are culture tyrants claiming victimization that doesn’t exist.

    • Tim Lewis says

      Correct. There seems to be a surplus of those likely to acquiesce.

      • The reason that the knitter in question can’t just quit Instagram, can’t tell her critics to buzz off, can’t follow any version of all this super-helpful “screw ’em!” advice Quillette commenters are providing, is because she sells her stuff on Instagram. It says so right in the article! That’s the two-edged sword of this monetized social media world — individuals can use it to reach an audience that was previously unavailable to them, and to promote themselves (or highly curated versions of themselves) as a brand. However, the flip side of all that free access is that other people have access to you too. When you reach a certain level of notoriety some of them will decide to come for you.

        Because there is money involved, expect competition for eyes to be very fierce indeed. Notice how many of the quoted calls for reflection, “conversation,” etc above include a pitch to buy something from a more appropriate vendor. When the quest for the moral high ground is inextricably tied to the quest for dollars, expect moral theatrics to reach a fever pitch. The internet is full of people who are happy to pile on some poor sap for free, but add to that people who see such pile-ons as serving their economic interest and you have a recipe for this kind of internecine warfare. Even in something like knitting.

        • Lightning Rose says

          An elementary tenet of business life is to keep your business and your personal life separated. Like this woman, I had to find out the hard way. You treat customers like customers, and while helpful and cordial, you confine conversation to the business at hand.
          “What are you making? What kinds of yarn are you seeking? Do you want expedited shipping?” etc. If you blog, post about products and services you are selling. NOT your beliefs, experiences, perspectives, politics, etc. This is where people go off the rails. Think of it as “co-mingling,” just like your funds. That’s a no-no!

          NO ONE online needs to know your vacation plans, EVER, if only to avoid alerting burglars to your impending absence. Customers are NOT “your friends.” They are people whose patronage you need for your living. “Friends” are people who are not customers.

          Any form of online posting can attract trolls. Obviously, they are not customers either, or likely to become such. They are immature troublemakers. So block them and be done with it. In short, BE PROFESSIONAL.

          • Angela says

            The problem with that is this knitting community seems to be built on personalities. The small business owners get more followers and eyeballs when they post about their life and make customers feel like theyre friends with them.

          • John Reddy says

            Brilliant! No good can come of mixing personal political views with business. Many businesses on both sides of the political spectrum have learned that lesson the hard way.

            Years ago, Michael Jordan put it quite succinctly. When asked to expound on a political issue, he declined with a statement that should be the motto of business owners everywhere: “Republicans buy sneakers too.”

          • What do you do when “Silence = Racism”? They are forcing people to speak out and the burning them at the stake for one wrong word or phrase. These woke white people do not care about racism. They care about semantics.

          • This is an excellent point – these social media “friends” are NOT really your friends – remember that. It’s hard to do, I imagine, when so many spend so much time online, and we all want to be liked, but that precept must be kept in mind

          • Rose Clark says

            I disagree. One of the pieces of advice for a successful social media strategy is to be genuine and let your personality shine through. Especially for an artist or creative professional. Tying in aspirations for her vacation and how it tied into her art should have been a great strategy – it certainly wasn’t a woman talking about any as controversial as political beliefs, it just got twisted into that by the mob.

          • Skept-O-Punk says

            This, Lightning Rose, is some EXTREMELY sound advice in this current climate more than ever.

        • constructive hypocrite says

          “The reason that the knitter in question can’t just quit Instagram, can’t tell her critics to buzz off, can’t follow any version of all this super-helpful “screw ’em!” advice Quillette commenters are providing, is because she sells her stuff on Instagram.”

          The customer is always right. Pander to their self-aggrandizing self-righteous virtue signalling with grovelling apologies and keep their money flowing in. Remember, they can’t see you flipping them the bird if you turn your camera off.

          • Constructive hypocrite, what you wrote reminded me of Vaclav Havel’s 1979 piece, “The Power of the Powerless,” written against the Communists then ruling Czechoslovakia. He pushes the exact opposite viewpoint to you, writing that ” [l]iving within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal, ” and concluding that “[t]he original and most important sphere of activity, one that predetermines all the others, is simply an attempt to create and support the independent life of society as an articulated expression of living within the truth. In other words, serving truth consistently, purposefully, and articulately, and organizing this service.”: http://chnm.gmu.edu/1989/items/show/700

        • Rachel says

          Surely you’re not saying that a lot of these leftist SJWs are really just greedy ruthless capitalists looking for an unfair advantage in the marketplace. Perish the thought.

        • MiaCara says

          So open an etsy or ebay shop and drop the colorful, pardon the expression, commentary on your travels. Sell the product without trying to be JPeterman.

    • ARacistPOSApparently says

      Not when they can directly affect your online business by systematically shutting them out of the network.

    • Angela says

      The problem is these women were small business owners whos very livelihoods were being threatened if they dare speak their own mind. If my business depended on social justice nuts not calling me a racist id publicly toe the line too I’m sorry to say.

      • My one counter to the author’s assertions is that apologizing to leftists is no means to absolution, it’s like apologizing before the firing squad. It’s just a gift-wrapped embarrassment before the execution. Templer’s personal mixed experience in this regard sounds very unusual, perhaps a testament to whatever dwindling good remains in knitting culture. So it’s no wonder we have people like the Proud Boys organizing around the very concept of doing away with apology. And really that could be the entirety of their activism. Just sit back and wait for the left to eat their own one by one until there’s nobody left but one self-loathing witch hunter, scowling into the mirror.

    • JLawson says

      Part of the trouble is that we’re conditioned to TRY to make those angry at us happy – or at least ‘not angry’.

      And someone with social anxiety will be exceedingly easy to reduce to an apologetic, quivering mass… which a lot of these SJW types simply love to see because it gives THEM a sense of satisfaction.

      Think high school bullying writ large – and you’ve got an SJW.

      The only way to win is not to play their game. “You’re offended? That’s a shame.” is all the apology they’re deserving.

    • Mongo says

      Exactly.
      Tell them to, er, ‘go forth and multiply’.
      Or not.
      Just tell them to fuck off and laugh in their faces.
      Explain that they are stupid and vile.

    • All the knitters I know are kind hearted and decent people, several of them have tried teaching me to knit to no avail. All have had tremendous patience with me while I cuss up a storm. I wonder how many of my knitting friends would have the heart to tell those idiotic SJW wackos to F. Off

    • A great big thumbs up to you!

      They go to these “how to be offended” seminars to learn what is supposedly offensive.

      The US and UK are swarming with these idiots, who can only be called brainwashed.

    • Greg Allan says

      I think we need to remember that half the population operate with below average IQs.

    • Fabiano Barreto says

      I was going to write the exact same thing. Don´t even engage, It´s a bait. Just tell them to solemnly get the f*** out of your timeline. Period,

    • Amen. These pious little sjw’s poison everything they come in contact with. Anyone that actually manages to turn someone’s enthusiasm about a trip to India into bigotry, oppression, and “colonialism” has the IQ of lunchmeat.

    • Kemosabe says

      She was simply equating the odds of getting to go to India were the same as the odds of getting to go to Mars. She was NOT implying that Indians were like Martians. How would she know anyway?

    • Jay Hopkinson says

      Exactly, why engage with people who lack perspective, objectivity or any sense of proportionality?

      I mean, if someone’s going to call you a neo-Nazi for drinking Guinness what point is there in engaging? Where would you go from a comment like that? You’d make as much headway sitting down and talking quantum physics with a hedgehog.

      Fuck off – every time. Don’t give their ‘theories’ any credence by engaging.

    • Tersitus says

      The problem is the idiot wind keeps blowing their trash in our gardens.

  2. codadmin says

    Please, it’s very, very, very important you stop calling these fascistic racists, ‘anti-racists’.

    • George G says

      @ codadmin

      totally agree with you. Language matters The Boy Who Inflated the Concept of ‘Wolf’
      written by Spencer Case on this very site makes a great case for why,

      https://quillette.com/2019/02/14/the-boy-who-inflated-the-concept-of-wolf/

      Conceding calling this totalitarian bigots, “anti Racist”, dilutes the meaning of the word racist and only indulges their narcissistic delusion that they are morally correct good people. They need confronted with the reality of their actions at every turn.

      • I always ask such people how many non white friends they have. Either they deflect or start listing off co-workers, the guy behind the counter at the kebab shop that they chat with, a non-white acquaintance who sometimes turns up at a party or group outing, a fellow classmate…NEVER a person in their inner circle as it were. Never a close friend they chose to hang around,

        • david of Kirkland says

          @DM – So? It’s pretty typically that close friends are those you are close to. That you marry someone of your own race doesn’t make you a racist either. Racism is a disgust/hatred for an entire group based on physical traits without regard to individuals. It’s what intersectionality is all about, showing disgust for members of some other group while claiming their own group is good….treating groups as if they are all the same as some individual they can think of.

        • Angela says

          Usually they might have a completely Americanized Asian friend. At the high school and college I went too is was mainly just American born Asian kids who were close friends with white kids. Sometimes Hispanics too, but rarely black people. Especially not American born black people. Its the foreign students from Nigeria who actually assimilate more crazily enough.

        • stevengregg says

          So? Since when must you have a diverse portfolio of friends? It’s phony to seek friends simply because of their race.

      • bumble bee says

        “Conceding calling this totalitarian bigots, “anti Racist”, dilutes the meaning of the word racist and only indulges their narcissistic delusion that they are morally correct good”

        What they do not realize as well is that by calling everything racist, they do nothing to address real racism. In fact it damages it beyond repair. Social will to address and combat racism is and should always be to educate people so that they understand what it is and how to end it. By calling everything racist, and specifically using the dubious theory of White Privilege, they have effectively tried to end all discussion, and rebuttals. WP does nothing but annul any conversation that might counter back because the intent is to say that someone who is white regardless of life experiences is racist. They are literally saying it’s in our DNA. WP is the new Jim Crow, and just as that was a social disgrace, so too is the concept of WP.

        • Delaney P. says

          I agree. Throwing WP in the face of anyone not willing to apologize for the way the SJW feels, claiming they don’t listen because of the color of their skin, without actually knowing anything about that person, how is that not racism too? A BIPOC is not anti-racist for bullying non-BIPOC and shaming them for keeping silent on an issue when the BIPOC has no way of knowing how or who or what that other person chooses to support, it’s just bullying.

    • @ codadmin

      “calling these fascistic racists, ‘anti-racists’.”

      Whatever else they might or might notbe – they are not racist.

        • Bonnie says

          Yes, Doctor Locketopus, true: Judging someone by their race is racist. Funny we need to point that out these days. It’s as if someone has hijacked the word or something crazy like that…

      • codadmin says

        @Amin

        Quote: “I‘d love to say I watched the whole video to make an informed decision about her, but I was blinded by her (literally) gleaming white face.”

        Yes, they are racist.

        • @ codadmin

          Nope. Or at least it is the word “racism” into new territories… again. Self-racism? How far can one go in being a racist of one’s own race?

          • codadmin says

            @Amin

            The ideology that animates them is racist, therefore they are racist.

            The sjw left, who’s polar opposite is the neo-Nazi right, is increasingly non-white. The white leftists now serve as Uncle Tom characters. I have no idea why a white person would racially abuse another white person. Why a white person would campaign so passionately for white dispossession, but that’s what they do.

            It’s a form of Stockholm syndrome. They are victims themselves.

          • That’s simple. You reject their new definition. I’d like to say only idiots believe it but I know people who are generally quite intelligent and rational that have bought into the idea. But since it has no logical consistentency it is simple enough to deal with. Just be aware that the believers are just that, people who believe in this way of looking at the works and will get just as angry as any other religious zealot that you are deconstructing their world view.

          • Doctor Locketopus says

            >Or at least it is the word “racism” into new territories… again.

            Nonsense. It is racism by the standard definition of the word, not by the SJW definition which is basically “disagreement with a communist”.

            > How far can one go in being a racist of one’s own race?

            It’s well-established that one can hate oneself enough to commit suicide. So… pretty far.

          • Hyzenthlay says

            “Self-racism? How far can one go in being a racist of one’s own race?”

            If we define racism as a generalized negative view of an entire race (which is the original definition) I’ve met quite a few people who are racist against their own race. Including whites who hate white people. They either hate themselves too, or they view themselves as special exceptions.

          • Angela says

            Internalized racism and sexism is all the rage these days. So by SJW definitions white people definitely can be racist against white people.

          • Doctor Locketopus says

            codadmin:

            > The sjw left, who’s polar opposite is the neo-Nazi right,

            No! They are not “opposites” at all. They are two different heresies of the evil Marxist religion.

            The whole “right-left” model is pure nonsense to begin with, but even if one accepts it, Nazis are only “on the right” if you’re Stalin.

            This isn’t going to get any better until we stop letting communists redefine words as they see fit.

          • codadmin says

            @Doctor Locketopus

            I completely agree. Fascists and communists are two sides of the same coin. Technically, the opposite of communism/fascism, and all other totalitarian systems, is anarchy.

            But, for the sake of clarity I try to use the ‘accepted’ language of division between left and right.

            The point I was making is that SJW ( fascist ) left is NOT in any way comparable to conservatism ( the moderate right ).

          • stevengregg says

            Pretty far. There are plenty of self-loathing whites and blacks.

          • Racism is less about color than it is about contempt. It isn’t necessary to direct that contempt at other races to use it as the tool it is to justify ones behaviour.

        • @ codadmin

          Noppe. Again it doesn’t work.

          “The ideology that animates them is racist, therefore they are racist.”

          Not in the sense the word Racism was devised for, clearly not. If you are giving new meaning to the word Racism then be clear on the meaning first.

          Of course, you are falling into same trap as them, redefining racism. Tit-for-tat opposition is rarely successful.

          • Stephanie says

            Amin, you ignored Hyzenthlay’s clearly stated point that the definition of racism is generalised negative view of a race. There is no reason according to the definition why it can’t be applied to one’s own race. You are the one corrupting the definition to support an ideological point, no one else.

          • codadmin says

            @amin

            So, are you saying a Jewish neo-nazi can’t be anti-Semitic?

        • You are ascribing a single person’s comment to an entire discussion.

          Su.krita and thecolormustard, among several others, are absolutely not racist. They are women of color who are doing their damnedest to be open and discuss the problems of racism that they and others have experienced.

          • MiaCara says

            Where is this racism in the knitting community? Are people barred from shops, denied patterns, prevented from joining classes and groups? Or is it this microaggression bullshit, like “I’m excited about my trip to India”, or other comments that you have to stretch like rubber bands to create slights for which you demand apologies, jobs, money, or ruin lives? If these women have something to contribute, they can compete in the marketplace like anyone else or start their own businesses instead of this name calling extrortion

          • Oh really? Check out the comments on Sukrita’s post about Kristy Glass, where one woman calls her ‘duck faced’ and others refer to her as a racist bitch. Similarly her IG story and post on Maria Tusken were so defamatory they were taken down. Or her ‘white people don’t know how to apologise’ comment on another of her posts.

      • They are racist. They’re like the homophobes of old, who project their perceived sins onto others. They don’t know any non-white people a lot of the time, and are often lousy human beings to those closest to them. So they project their inner nastiness onto strangers whilst pretending to the world they actually are good people. No, they are not. They are terrible people.

        • @ DM

          You are completely clueless. You haven’t really got the foggiest.

        • Hannah says

          It would be a bit hard to not know any white people when you live in Australia… maybe a bit of the old hyperbole here?

      • Angela says

        If you go by any standard dictionary definition of racism then a lot them are racist. It’s only if you use their conveniently invented definition of racism being prejudice plus power where theyre not racist, and even then theyre still prejudiced and hateful.

        • Jin Molnar says

          Webster’s Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary (1967) :
          (var3) Race: [MF, generation OIT razza] 1: a breeding stock of animals 2: a: a family, tribe, people or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of individuals with common characteristics, interests or habits 3: any of various intraspecific groups: as a: subspecies b: a permanent or fixed variety c: breed d: a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type 4 obs : inherited temperament or disposition 5 : distinctive flavor, taste or strength

          Webster’s Seventh does not list the word “racism”

          American Heritage Dictionary, Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc. (1992) :
          (var 1) Race: A group of people distinguished by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2 A group of people united by a common history, nationality or tradition. 3 A genealogical line; lineage. 4 A subspecies, breed or strain of a a plant or animal. [OItal razza]

          As above,
          Racism: 1 The belief that a particular race is superior to others. 2 Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

          So by that I’m given to understand that human beings that have sense perception (if not 100%, then what percent?) are racists.

          • Dictionary references are descriptive, not prescriptive. The are particularly shallow with political terms. For example, feminism to Webster has two opposing meanings 1) Equality for women 2) Advocacy for women. The dictionary avoids the expediencies employed by feminist advocate who switch from either definition as the situation demands.

        • Even if you go by the prejudice+power definition of racism, the radical left keeps moving the goalposts. Prejudice+power makes sense at a gut level in at least some ways; an insult from a coworker can be shrugged off, while an insult from the boss might have material repercussions. I can get behind the idea that context matters, and that, in a given place, some groups might face meaningful structural disadvantages (although I think there’s room for argument about which groups).

          But since China started throwing its weight around, the left is talking less about prejudice+power and a lot more about “whiteness.” I guess context doesn’t matter anymore, if it ever did.

        • The Kindly Libertarian says

          Prejudiced plus power. Yes. The power to destroy businesses in an instant. Just like Jim Crow minus the burning crosses and rocks in the windows. Picture these women at the lunch counter, glaring at a white woman reading Marxism by Thomas Sowell.

    • Bruno Pavani Bertolino says

      I would argue, instead, that they’re definitely *not fascists*. I can definitely see the argument for racism there, but fascism? That’s not a generic word to describe authoritarians.

      • codadmin says

        The ‘fascist left’ is appropriate because their particular collectivist, totalitarian ideology is rooted in racial hatred, and not class hatred. Like the fascist right, they blame all of the worlds problems on one particular racial group.

        • stevengregg says

          Fascism is a variant of socialism, which is a creature of the Left. There is no such thing as a Fascist right. You can not simultaneously be a conservative and a socialist. One excludes the other.

      • Angela says

        Fascist has been used enough to just generally describe authoritarians to the point where it’s probably generally accepted.

        • Angela says

          I mean look at Nazi. People use that word all the time just to describe crazy authoritarian assholes. See Soup Nazi for an example.

      • stevengregg says

        Were Hitler and Mussolini authoritarians? Were they fascists?

  3. Reluctant reactionary says

    Knitting! harden up and take a look at quilting, where woke grannies burn people at the stake for the colonialist crime of using small squares of fabric containing too much beige . When I was a boy someone I had previously thought was a friend took up philately and mentioned a desire to own a “penny black” 40 years later i rang the police who have tracked him down and he is awaiting trial for attempted sexual slavery of some poor African girl called Penelope. This article has to be a joke right?

    • Lightning Rose says

      Just knit. Or quilt. Or wash your bacon down with single-malt. Guess what–if you keep your life offline, (which we used to call “normal,”) nobody knows or cares what you do and no one makes you “trouble.” Why would ANYONE seek such contentious online “communities?”

      • Angela says

        The victims here depended on social media to support their small businesses. Their business wouldnt exsist to begin with without engaging in social media. Its not like this has no consequences for them.

        • augustine says

          An online business can do just fine with zero socializing.

        • Ms. Tusken chose to comment!!! She made the video. She chose to post publicly a photo of herself in a dress she made to attend a Civil War Ball, where she stands beaming in front of a confederate flag. She let people know exactly who she was. She is no victim. She is a racist.

  4. Pinkot says

    Very interesting read into how these activists hijack community after community to their religion. Tamhank you.

  5. Bubblecar says

    More silly social media trivia grossly inflated to demonstrate that we are in the dark days of Orwell’s This or Solzhenitsyn’s That.

    Give it a rest, Quillette.

    • Nakatomi Plaza says

      Exactly. And a bunch of people who couldn’t give a shit about knitting will show up to proclaim the end of civilization, or masculinity, or whatever.

      Non-story.

      • Kieran says

        Or, a bunch of people that don’t like the article will turn up and advise the article writer, the publication, and the readers to stop it immediately. The answer is no.

      • George G says

        @ Nakatomi Plaza
        @ bubblecar

        Give this a read, it’s about 15 – 20 min and the best thing you’ll read today, guaranteed. Its a chapter from Skin in the game by Nassim Taleb

        its a great exploration of how a stubborn minority (say 5%) are able to influence the greater indifferent majority (remaining 95%). eye rolling isn’t enough, extremist views need to be actively challenged wherever they appear, even in the online knitting community.

        https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

        • Doctor Locketopus says

          > Give this a read, it’s about 15 – 20 min and the best thing you’ll read today, guaranteed.

          You are assuming that Nakatomi Plaza and Bubblecar are here for an honest discussion.

          They aren’t.

          • George G says

            @ Doctor Locketopus

            thanks for your thoughts, and I agree, Naka and Bubbles regularly come here to troll and rubbish the articles, but since they are here they might accidentally learn something.

            That chapter from “Skin in the Game” is pretty neutral politically, extremism can affect right or left, so they can read that chapter and its not a direct attack on their identity or politics. If they go on to read another couple of chapters then it may spark a bit of self reflection.

            What I’ve done isn’t likely to be acted upon be either of them, it was the online equivalent of a unsolicited religious pamphlet through their post box but even so I’d rather not write them off just yet.

      • ga gamba says

        a bunch of people who couldn’t give a shit about knitting

        But it isn’t about knitting. Surely you’re not so dim and daft to not know that, yeah?

        • Persecution and the Art of Science says

          Wrong. It is about knitting and that is the point. Quillette attracts people who like to knit. The rest of the article is irrelevant to this main point.

          • ga gamba says

            Dammit! I hoped Quillette would remain our secret knitting hideout.

            Now the social justice needlepointers will congregate here and ruin it for the rest of us.

            Every hobby is being ruined. Is philately still safe?

    • Cassandra says

      No,it really isn’t. The patrolling and policing of ‘social’ media is so widespread that inhibits many people from posting and even using what should be innocuous sites devoted to what most people regard as harmless hobbies. The initial post struck me as rather naive and self centred, the sort of thing that once one might have just shrugged and dismissed ( my first thought was be careful what you eat if you want to get around the bazaar, blimey, I would be crucified for that if I was unwise enough to express it).

      It is the mob aspect of these events that are truly chilling. Suddenly people find themselves being hounded and tormented by mainly anonymous mobs,,who have seized on some innocent comment , part of the relentless search for offence which blights interpersonal relations today.

      Knitting. Quilting ….. How sad.

      • Bubblecar says

        For every example of left-wing idiocy on social media you’ll find dozens of examples of right-wing idiocy in the same platforms.

        All it demonstrates is that there’s no shortage of idiots on social media.

        Nothing to see here folks, move along.

        • E. Olson says

          Bubblecar – please enlighten us with links that demonstrate your claims about vast right-wing social media idiocy. I’m waiting for some good evidence of the 12+ to 1 R to L ratio you suggest is present.

        • John McCormick says

          @bubblecar @nakatomi plaza,

          Thank you for serving as PC thought police today. I know it’s a hard, thankless task warning others not to read something that…well, they’ve likely already read, but hey, it’s the thought that counts. And you not only came all the way from…Twitter or Facebook, or whatever, but you did it all under essentially anonymous names. Just, wow. I salute you. You make us better people. I fact, comments like yours remind me how important it is that we supporters of Quillette continue our support.

        • Morgan Foster says

          @Bubblecar

          I was under the impression that social media is dominated by a majority of left-leaning users.

          Those handful of right-wing users must be kept very busy to keep up a “dozens”-1 ratio.

        • Here’s the thing, though. When the right-wing trolls show up, no one ever feels the need to prostrate themselves and apologize. No one has to worry about losing their business when the right-wing trolls show up. There’s no shortage of idiots on social media; that’s true. But the left’s idiots currently have social capital. They’re the ones with the power to ruin someone with irrational accusations of racism.

        • bumble bee says

          So let’s agree to send each end of the social bell curve out to sea and torpedo the lot of them.

          What I really find remarkable is the left always rationalizes their own deplorables. So in your world it takes 100 left deplorables to equal 1 right deplorable? And even then the left still makes excuses for them, or just changes the conversation to something the right does to try and make it less offensive. That’s why the left is called hypocrites.

        • Perpetual Victim says

          I find your words hurtful. You use the English language and it’s a Western construct. I am replying to you in your chosen language to ask you to please stop.

      • bumble bee says

        People should do a social media blackout to show just how sick and tired we all are with these social terrorists. When no one will hear their rants of hate, do their rants have any impact? NO!

        • Please learn about the paradox of intolerance.

          Being intolerant of hatred isn’t a bad thing. It preserves society.

      • Lightning Rose says

        I got an early initiation to this game, 7 years ago on a hobby site devoted to pets. Due to my mistake of relating several stories in a humorous vein, I was branded “lacking in empathy” which is now apparently a capital crime, accused of causing “harm, damage and violence” to others on the thread for calling an old dog a “geezer,” called out as “culturally insensitive” for some mild mocking of a real moonbat’s conduct surrounding her dog, and finally came damn close to being doxxed, which might have had serious business repercussions. I learned my lesson. DO NOT engage with these people–period! As a result of that early experience, I have never used social media whatsoever and am even damn careful on sites such as this one. Apparently in the wrong company I can be charged with Evil Badinage aka “trolling” in 3 words or less!

        • Similar experience on the old Mommy Blogger sites. Say something about formula feeding and get murdered in the comments. The Facebook page Sanctimommy made a hilarious mockery of it. Unfortunately the left has ratcheted up the lunacy and ditched humor altogether.

      • Bonnie says

        Agreed. Also very chilling is the fact that the people who had posted nice things felt compelled to change their minds: Sheep.

    • Kieran says

      Go and read another publication if you don’t like it. Give yourself a break, Bubblecar.

    • May be you are fine with Totalitarians telling everyone what to think, but I’m not. I had to deal with these assholes earlier than most when they decided to invade gaming.

    • Angela says

      I agree quillette sometimes highlights more blah examples, but to me this example was actually still surprising.

    • Persecution and the Art of Science says

      The important thing to note here is that the article is about knitting.

    • Redchief says

      @Bubblecar – You’re off on this. We’re in the midsts of Heinlein’s crazy years.

    • MichaelJ says

      I don’t think pride is quite the appropriate feeling. To feel proud of things that other white men have accomplished seems a little too identitarian for me. I no more feel proud of the past achievements of people who happen to share my sex and ethnicity then I feel ashamed of their past transgressions.

      Rather than pride, what I feel towards Western culture is gratitude and a sense of duty – to contribute to it, to pass it on to my children and, in these beleaguered days, to defend it.

      • Lightning Rose says

        How ’bout we go back to seeing and understanding ourselves as individuals instead of members of “identity groups?” See, fixed it for you.

        Ask who WANTS us to see ourselves as members of “identity groups” and WHY?

      • @MichaelJ – So well said! This sentiment belongs somewhere where the world can read it.

      • stevengregg says

        Exactly. The fact is that our modern world is not a product of white culture but of a subset of it, Western culture. Most of white culture is no better than anywhere else. You can’t really say that the culture of Eastern Europe is better than say, Chinese culture, which seems more advanced. Our modern world was really built by the USA, England, France, and Germany. That is a culture we should conserve, protect, and pass on.

        • What a load of rubbish. It’s ridiculous for anyone to pretend to be “colorblind” & “see everyone as individuals”, humans are hardwired toward tribalism, and both the left & the right now have dropped the nonsensical idea that group identity could ever be successfully ignored & eradicated without eradicating that group.

          And stevengregg you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t know what you mean by “our modern world” & I don’t think you do either. Please pick up some history books to educate yourself out of your ignorant Anglocentric Northwestern European supremacist chauvinism.

          USA, England, France, and Germany created “our modern world” & “Western culture”? Just because those are the only countries you heard of (never mind studied & learned about) doesn’t mean they created “our modern world”.

          Eastern European nations each have beautiful cultures. Eastern Europe produced many fine artists, composers, scientists, etc. It’s not a matter of being “better” than Chinese culture. The Chinese are proud of Chinese culture, history, achievement. Europeans should be proud of European culture, history, achievements.

          Perhaps you are just uncultured in your little “Western subset” bubble. But white Western culture absolutely includes the furthest eastern reaches of Europe into Russia, the brilliant literary contributions of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Gogol, Chekhov; the classical music of Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, not to mention the ballet russe. This is all as much a part of the White European cultural heritage as anything the Anglo-Saxons produced.

          USA, England, France, Germany…So I guess you also never heard of Greece & Rome i.e. the cradles of Western civilization, Græco-Roman influence on all of “Western” culture far outweighs any other region’s contributions. All of Europe writes in alphabets derived from the Greek or Latin alphabets; much of Europe & her colonial outposts of “Western culture” speak languages derived from Latin. Modern English derives more vocabulary from Latin & Greek etymological origin than from Germanic or any other origin. Latin was the universal language of Western scientific & intellectual publications until the XIX century.

          Western concepts of democracy & republican forms of government over despotism, Western legal systems, courts & rule of law trace back to ancient Greece & Rome. Along with fine arts, culture, science, mathematics, medicine, architecture, engineering…the US Capitol like pretty much every capitol building & courthouse in the Western world built to imitate the architecture of the Greeks & Romans.

          Classical Græco-Roman culture was resurrected beginning in the XV century as the foundation of modern Western civilization reborn i.e. the Italian Renaissance, which spread through the rest of Europe into the XVII century as the West emerged from the Middle Ages.

          Astounding that that even an ignorant Anglocentric chauvinist who can count on one hand all the European countries he has ever heard of would not include Italy on a list of countries that supposedly built “Western culture”.

          How did Germany create Western culture? Germanic barbarians literally burned Western culture to the ground, Germans sacked Rome-the capital of Western Civ-plunging Europe into the Dark Ages that set back the advancement of Western civilization by a thousand years or so.

          How did Germany create our modern world? Starting a massive world war, committing mass-genocide, destroying large parts of Europe, losing the war, getting their own country reduced to rubble, occupied & split in 2, and serving as the model of what NOT to do in building “our modern world” back up from being destroyed in WWII?

          The modern Western world has been defined largely by a total rejection of everything Germany did in the 1940s…especially notable as the German Reich only became a unified great power in 1871. For a few decades Germany was an industrial & military powerhouse, though that quickly came to an end as Germany still lost WWI in 1918 & WW2 in 1945. How does 40 years of German military-industrial prowess even begin to compare with the contributions to Western culture from say just one Italian city like Rome or Florence?

          France can stake a greater claim to building Western culture, built on Latin language/culture…but as for the modern world, France got embarrassingly conquered by Germany within weeks, surrendering & establishing a Nazi collaborationist regime.

          England has not been an independent country since 1707, I presume you mean Great Britain or the United Kingdom, or you are an Anglo-Saxon supremacist? Britain contributed many great achievements to white Western civ in its own right, though the British Empire also engaged in widespread real ‘cultural appropriation’, the “British Museum” filled not with Anglo-Saxon artifacts but loot stolen amidst imperialism & wars, such as the “Elgin Marbles” stolen from the Parthenon in Athens-arguably THE birthplace of Western culture.

          Going back to the Founding Fathers, white Americans indeed also made many contributions in their own right to white Western civ. Post-WWII, USA emerged as an industrial. military, economic, political, cultural superpower. Having never been invaded, USA had the economic resources to literally rebuild post-1945 Europe brick-by-brick & provide military shield against the Soviet Union superpower amidst the Cold War, Europe divided by Communist Iron Curtain for 40 years which contributes to this otherization of Eastern Europe as not being part of Western civilization, especially in the minds of older folks who grew up in Cold War hysteria.

          But USA’s influence reconstructing postwar Europe is still just a historical blip in the history of the development of white Western civilization. Not only the colonial Amerian architecture was derived from ancient Greece & Rome, but America’s Founding Fathers-like the British intellectual class back home at fancy English boarding schools well into the 20th century-considered the foundation of a civilized Western education to be the study of the Classics, of Hellenic & Roman civilization, of the Greek & Latin languages.

          The committed Classicist Thomas Jefferson would be aghast to see the state of modern American ‘education’; the sort of ignorance that would lead someone to claim that just a “subset” of England, France, Germany, USA are the only 4 countries that “really” created & define Western culture/civilization.

        • Melissa says

          Clumsy first time poster here—my “well out” comment was intended for @michaelj

  6. Truthseeker says

    What we are witnessing is a desperate shortage of vertebrae. There are a lot people who are failing to treat these bullies like the cowards that they are. Block them, ignore them, give them exactly what they deserve, absolutely none of your time or attention.

  7. Nakatomi Plaza says

    I’m not too sure about this. I was poking around in the links provided in the article and it seems to be just 3-4 people complaining. Sure, there are losers with personal agendas on social media, but this situation doesn’t seem particularly representative. This feels too much like clickbait.

    And if you’re really worried about SJWs ruining the world, I really think we’ve reached peak-SJW. They get as much criticism as support, and most people just roll their eyes at their self-serving nonsense. If you want further proof that most people aren’t interested, take a look at who’s been winning most of our elections over the past ten years – it ain’t the SJW contingent.

    • Aerth says

      3-4 people? I counted 9 (10 if we add turncoat Marie Carter) on fringeassociation alone and I doubt on Instagram it was only the same people.

  8. “It doesn’t matter what the intent was, all that matters is the impact—how the person felt.” 

    This would be bad enough but the reaility is that it is how the person says they feel and how they say they feel is deeply unreasonable and implausable. If someone unintentionally said something genuinely hurtful then i would not object to a call to reconsider what was said and apologise. The problem is that entirely reasonable and inoffensive remarks are being claimed to be offensive and people are bullied to withdraw them. The apologies are as implausible and incredible as the claimed offense given. The net effect is howether significant, each unreasonable demand for a retraction and apology which suceeds increasing the power of the racists and sexists who make the demands.

    • stevengregg says

      One of the themes of the Left is that subjectivity should trump objectivity, that how you feel about something should trump what it really is. This is an attack on reason which we should defeat.

    • Delaney P says

      Exactly! Is it really an apology if a BIPOC shamed, bullied, and got 10 of tgeir co-patriots to mob the person into apologizing? Isn’t it just a ‘shut up and leave me be at that point? And what does it say about the BIPOC? At that point it invalidates the cause they are trying to forward and actually sets them back.

  9. Andrew Worth says

    Indian culture is very different to European culture, I’m sure Indians are proud of their culture, and good on them for that, everyone should be proud of the uniqueness of their culture. Those new to international travel planning to visit a very different culture might well draw an analogy with the excitement of a flight to Mars, and that goes for the inexperienced traveler from many countries on the Globe any of the rich diversity of cultures we are fortunate to have on this world, nothing white centered about it.

    Good on you Maria Tusken, don’t let the racist scumbags grind you down.

  10. Andrew Worth says

    I’ve just read Karen Templer’s original post, and given her writing style and her comment: “but I have a certain amount of PTSD.” I think it becomes obvious why she became a target for Alex Klein and his ilk, she’s an easy target, and thugs like Klein only ever attack people that look like they’d be an easy target for their bullying, Klein being the quintessential gutless wonder.

    • George G says

      @ Andrew Worth

      agree with that. these ideologues are bullies wearing cloaks of virtue, like all bullies they pick fights with people they know wont fight back.

      • Doctor Locketopus says

        Yes. In another era they would be happily hanging harmless old ladies as witches (to fight Satan, of course, and who could be against fighting Satan?) or throwing the Jewish tailor down a well (to keep him from sacrificing Christian children, of course. Don’t you care about children?)

        The are vile people.

      • tarstarkas says

        They should be given a lorryload of their own medicine. Doxxing, mobbing, the lot. They do it because there are no negative consequences to their flaming and bullying, in fact they receive inordinate praise and support for their virtuing. These Eloi need to be terrorized the same way they terrorize others. Then maybe they’ll grow some skin, or intelligence, or something to let others be.

        You can’t ignore these people, because when you do, they win. Just my opinion.

        • stevengregg says

          Exactly. The only thing bullies respect is a forceful attack, followed up by a forceful attack, followed up by a forceful attack.

    • Lightning Rose says

      I find the indiscriminate use of “PTSD” today to be very inappropriate. PTSD is a group of severe, debilitating psycho-physical sequelae caused by the kind of trauma most of us will mercifully never see; such as watching your squad blown to bits before your eyes by a roadside bomb in Iraq. It is NOT, repeat NOT, caused by scruffy dates, online pile-ons, fights with your mother, or wardrobe malfunctions. The genuine article is mainly confined to soldiers, first responders, and victims of mass murder and such. Use of that term for ordinary emotional molehills is just ridiculous.

      • Andrew Worth says

        Lightning Rose, while I agree it has become popular in some quarters to claim PTSD as a result of some stranger being mean, I disagree with your claim that “the genuine article is mainly confined to soldiers, first responders, and victims of mass murder and such”, I’d include victims of many incidents of violent crime including rape and a lot of people who’ve been in relationships with psychopaths or sociopaths, genuine long-term emotional trauma – that is abuse by someone close to you that you believed you could trust I’d rate as often worse than the trauma of a single violent incident.
        Neither of us knows Karen Templer’s history or the cause of her claimed PTSD.

        • Jadzia says

          Thank you, Andrew. I was diagnosed with PTSD after a criminal assault. It’s an awful thing to live with and in my case, I absolutely have experienced greater difficulty in standing my ground, which is silly (or sounds silly) but there you have it.

  11. Fluffy Buffalo says

    Hmmmm… it’s almost like Social Justice poisons and fractures every community that it infiltrates. I hope that more people wise up in time and have the courage to say “take your ideology and your passive-aggressive bullshit somewhere else, we don’t need it here” when the crybullies show up at their virtual space.

  12. George G says

    @ Nakatomi Plaza
    @ bubblecar

    Give this a read, it’s about 15 – 20 min and the best thing you’ll read today, guaranteed. Its a chapter from Skin in the game by Nassim Taleb

    its a great exploration of how a stubborn minority (say 5%) are able to influence the greater indifferent majority (remaining 95%). eye rolling isn’t enough, extremist views need to be actively challenged wherever they appear, even in the online knitting community.

    https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

  13. Stephanie says

    How shameful that a desire to experience another culture was twisted into something racist. One has to wonder if the mob is over-compensating for their own racist inclinations, because only a racist could colour something so innocuous that way. Do these keyboard warriors realise that any sufficiently different country would be “like Mars” to someone else? Are people from hot climates racist for being fascinated by snow?

    I’ll disagree with JBP somewhat: conservatives are increasingly willing to speak out about this, but without the centre this battle will be lost. They really need to stop assuming good intentions by the mob and suppress the fear they will become the next target. Calling out these garbage people viciously and unapologitically as the jealous, petty, ugly little people they are is necessary to turn the tide.

    Knitting! This really is a cancer, spreading throughout every corner of our society. Containing its spread is necessary before this becomes truly dangerous.

  14. chris says

    I also scrolled through the original post, and one comment low down the page, after the swathe of Sjw jargon, was about the best ‘liked’:
    “I’m brown and I grew up in India. I teach about racism and sexism and all the isms everyday to university students. You didn’t offend anyone. The people screaming at you are another form of white Colonialists who want will clutch their pearls anything that has to do with race. Racism goes away with education .. Which is precisely what you want to do. You aren’t appropriating anything. You are wanting to travel and learn about a country, whose culture is horribly portrayed my western media.”
    So knitters, as the immutable social class they surely are, may be a bit less easily panicked than this here article suggests.

    • Stephanie says

      Chris, when accusations of racism are thrown around so carelessly, a person sufficiently adept at the left’s language can turn it around on them. Perhaps that’s a better strategy than telling people to fuck off, or even ignoring them?

  15. E. Olson says

    Is it any wonder why there are so few Indians that wish to immigrate to such obviously racist and domineering white Western nations, and that those Indians that have taken the chance have done so poorly in life as they face daily abuse from white women with knitting needles? This has to end, and the only way to permanently solve this problem is some mass hari kari using those knitting needles.

    Oh My God, I now realize my suggestion is cultural appropriation of Japanese ritual suicide, and I sincerely apologize for my insensitivity, and can therefore only suggest that these racist knitters find some other culturally compatible, environmental friendly, and non-stereotypical method of suicide, or perhaps just stay off social media.

    • Instead, they could crash Mitsubishi Zero fighter planes into American aircraft carriers. Oh wait! That’s Japanese too! I apologise profoundly! I’ll make up for it by crashing my Toyota car (I don’t have a Mitsubishi, car or plane, sorry) into the next American aircraft carrier I see.

  16. Clearly, Alex’s white fragility has been triggered by Karen’s post and his answer is just an attempt of self-justification by comparison. However, he is so racist that he has miserably failed to conceil his internalisation of eurocentric colonialism as he has felt entitled to speak in behave of the people of India, his patronising exposing his presumption of them as incapable of defending or even identifying their own interests by themselves. In other words, Alex regards non-Europeans as lesser humans beings that should be guided by their betters. Consequently, he has jumped in as the white colonial authority to take the poor good savages under his protection. Shame of you, Alex, check your privilege!

  17. ‘She reassured everyone that she was “shocked at herself” and was now reading The Origin of Others by Toni Morrison, as instructed.’

    😂😂😂

    • But that’s what happens, Colt, where an American author, lamenting on the injustices of otherness, the dehumanizing aspect of it, the fear, the hatred, gets even the Nobel prize. Otherness, OK, I would say, nothing wrong with that, but why stress that fear and hate and injustice? And that “less than”? Then you get a tsunami of, oh how good I am to be with you on Instagram, and poor youngsters thinking that they are following the right stream, downstream is never good, salmons and trouts swim upstream..

  18. Michael Layden says

    Having lived in India for a decent number of years, I can authoritavely call out all this nonsense as nonsense. India as we know it is the product of the final imperial power that brought together the whole of the subcontinent, barring the bits that Jinnah hived off as Pakistan.
    The previous empire, that of the Islamic Moghuls, never quite managed it; the last Great Moghul, Aurangzeb, was still on his war elephant well into his old age trying to secure the south.
    But the country that is India today is a thriving, deeply conflicted democracy of a billion citizens, strong in both its cultural identities and its secular democratic heritage, and in no need of being defended by halfwits who feel the need to make war over knitting. Who do these know- nothing racists think they are?

  19. It’s simple, really.

    Stop. Apologizing. To. These. People.

    They don’t want you to, in their words, “do better.” More often than not, they just want to be bullies because it feels good.

  20. Never, ever, ever apologize to PC SJWs. Once the sharks smell blood in the water, they attack even more viciously.

    The one thing these bullies can’t stand is a self-confident person who won’t pander to their nonsense

  21. GregS says

    While scouring the web, I came across numerous site devoted to “Turkish” knitting patterns. Given the brutality of Ottoman’s imperial occupation of North Africa, the Middle East and the Balkan, as well as the thriving Ottoman slave trade that ripped millions of Balkan and Ukrainian men, women and children from homes, I cannot see how anyone could dabble in “Turkish” anything without directly addressing these issues.

    Oh…..wait a minute… Are Turks considered “People of color”?

    Never mind….

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  23. Morgan Foster says

    I think the only good outcome, going forward, for gentle, well-meaning white women like Karen Templer is that they learn to push back against racists of color.

    No white woman should ever be afraid in this day and age to tell a racist of color – even a black woman – to f*** off.

    • Barney Doran says

      I don’t think it so much the racists of color, but rather the usual suspects in this social justice madness: those well-to-do, college educated, white women who for some reason hate themselves and are angry at everyone else for their being well-to-do, college educated, white women.

    • AndrewK says

      Well, no person should. Let’s be honest that everybody can fall prey to this type of mob mentality. Usually the best responds “that’s not what I said and you know it”

      • Morgan Foster says

        @AndrewK

        And how often have you seen that work in the face of a mob?

    • @Morgan Foster

      I agree with you. All these people who say black people can’t be racist have never met a black person. I’m not saying every human being is a racist, some are, some aren’t. But this bullshit that black people can’t be racist just has to go. I’ve been called a “white ho” by black women and when I started dating my current SO, his family considered him a race traitor for dating a white woman. The SJW worship whiteness, thinking it makes every white person divine and they want to take that divinity down. Most people couldn’t give a shit about about white people (“white trash” is something no one has a problem saying) other than putting white men in charge to avoid having their friends and neighbors get too much power while they remain powerless. It’s all been talked elsewhere so I don’t have to elaborate.

      • Just to clarify, my SO is Latin and it’s even more prounounced in their circles. My SO doesn’t speak Spanish (not by choice, he just wasn’t ever taught) and he went to college and works in education so he must think he’s too good for everyone else. It’s the same bullshit.

        • Stephanie says

          I had a Latin boyfriend whose family felt the same. He made comments about how white women were inferior himself, too.

  24. Mark Beal says

    This is not surprising. It’s been evident that the knitting “community” is a cesspit of SJW-activism ever since those vagina hats started showing up. You probably have to produce at least one of the bloody things a week to prove you’re not a nazi.

  25. Marian Hennings says

    At first I thought this was a satire. In reality, it SHOULD be one. This has to be the silliest example of SJW fanaticism I have yet seen. Knitting is racist? One cannot wish to travel to India without being attacked? Madness.

    • Persecution and the Art of Science says

      Hey now. You are missing the overall point. This isn’t an article on racism or witch trials. This is an article about how the knitting community and Quillette are perfectly matched. Quillette is a knitting circle.

  26. I think somewhere around 2015 there was a slippage in reality. Things started going really weird–as if an everyday sort of dream had suddenly wandered off into the surreal.

    Admit it. We all noticed it. The world’s craziness just exponentially exploded.

    It is as if we are trapped in the pages of a satirical novel, living as reality the fantastical imaginings of a clever misanthrope–a Thackeray world of shysters and rubes, of hypocrisy and idiocy, of frauds and fools.

    Surely, the mean-spirited, ridiculous, self-righteous busybodies policing modern culture–as exemplified in this article’s part-horrifying, part mordantly funny tale–are just too perfectly ludicrous to be real.

    Knitting…this is about knitting!

    I wish the world’s all-seeing but unseen novelist would write an island for sane folk to set sail towards. A place that repels contemporary crackpottery. Beautiful but inaccessible.

    Kind of like “Lost” perhaps–but without the polar bears or the high mortality rate…

    Oh, and reasonable sanitation would be nice.

    • ga gamba says

      I think somewhere around 2015 there was a slippage in reality. Things started going really weird–as if an everyday sort of dream had suddenly wandered off into the surreal.
      Admit it. We all noticed it. The world’s craziness just exponentially exploded.

      Yep, around 2014 or 15. About that time began to appear a lot punditry from ultra progressives accusing the Obama administration of failure and calling for more street and online activism to push the progressive agenda. The argument was that progressives bit their tongues for years out of misguided loyalty and because they didn’t want a black fella to fail, so they didn’t push hard with their demands. One of the first to defect was Cornell West who in 2012 called Obama a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface”.

      West wrote in his book Black Prophetic Fire that Obama “made it more difficult for black courageous and radical voices to bring critique to bear on the U.S. empire.”

      “The state of black America in the age of Obama has been one of desperation, confusion and capitulation. The desperation is rooted in the escalating suffering on every front. The confusion arises from a conflation of symbol and substance. The capitulation rests on an obsessive need to protect the first black president against all forms of criticism.

      In 9 Jan 2017 West wrote in the Guardian: … most well-paid pundits on TV and radio celebrated the Obama brand. And most black spokespeople shamelessly defended Obama’s silences and crimes in the name of racial symbolism and their own careerism. How hypocritical to see them now speak truth to white power when most went mute in the face of black power. Their moral authority is weak and their newfound militancy is shallow.

      Progressives recognised Clinton was a shoe-in for the nomination; they feared that she would be more like her husband and even less progressive than the disappointment that was Obama.

      Time magazine wrote in an article titled How Hillary Clinton Will Handle Populist Critics on 8 April 2015: [A] groundswell of young, liberal and populist dissatisfaction with Clinton promises to be the central conundrum facing the former Secretary of State’s campaign.

      Strange that these populists were promptly forgotten about by the dinosaur media when it began to hyperventilate about “populism” after Trump was elected.

      She faces very little real electoral competition at this stage in the game. But if she doesn’t win over that loyal base, strategists say she risks setting herself up for a lackluster general election that fails to inspire young people, raise small dollar donations or motivate voters to go to the polls on Election Day. A segment on the left-leaning MSNBC last year worried last year that Clinton could become the Democrats’ Mitt Romney: “kind of tone deaf and unrelatable,” in possession of “competence but no core belief.”

      … in lieu of a real, gloves-off primary battle, which liberal groups like MoveOn.org and Democracy For American would prefer, the populist left must fill the role of Clinton’s primary opponent.

      Liberal groups, Campaign For America’s Future and National People’s Action, have stepped into that position by organizing grassroots campaigns designed to force “all Democratic candidates” (read: Clinton) into adopting the populist agenda usually brandished by liberal hero Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

      While the progressive left frames their own campaigns in positive terms—an effort to ensure that all candidates embrace populist ideas—it’s also about backing the former First Lady into a corner. (All bold text mine.)

      On 22 March 2015 the Boston Globe’s editorial board called on Elizabeth Warren to enter the race – this editorial was published before Clinton had formally declared her candidacy – to ensure a progressive agenda would be put before the voters.

      That groundswell of populist progressivism resulted in a lot of people using the accusations of isms and obias as cudgels to substantiate their malformed arguments. Online messaging such as Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook favours one- to three-sentence accusations and assertions.

      • Opossum says

        Wrong. The identity politics you dislike so much was used to far greater effect by the centrist candidate, Clinton. Remember “Bernie Bros?” Far from a spontaneous coinage, it was created, disseminated, and endlessly repeated by Clinton campaign proxies:

        https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/10/wikileaks-email-reveals-liberal-bloggers-coordinat.html

        An obvious take-away from 2016 is that Clinton’s supporters’ habit of framing attacks on Clinton’s voting record and policy positions as misogyny was ineffective at winning over the broader electorate. It played well among the faithful but nowhere else.( Another obvious takeaway is that it is the upper economic echelons and their political flunkies, not the electorate, that considers New New Deal politics to be a non-starter. Sanders did way better than he was supposed to do and explaining it away as sexism is an easy out.)

        Before Peak Wokeness was reached, there was a highly popular international movement to address widening income inequality and the worst excesses of casino capitalism. Remember “we are the 99%?” Regardless of how you feel about the underlying message, that is some strong, unifying, easy-to-understand messaging. The appeal to fairness and democracy — that ninety-nine votes should win out over one — is baked right in. By contrast, the new lingo of privilege, fragility, “stay in your lane,” and its accompanying enforcers depicts a world where an endlessly multiplying collection of demographically impotent interest groups are locked in a zero-sum struggle. The old anger at “privilege” may have been directed at a hedge fund manager who instrumentalized bad debt, helped crash the economy, and walked away from the burning wreck unscathed. The new definition of privilege redirects that anger at the nice lady selling hand-knit sweaters on Instagram.

        The current accepted wisdom among centrist Democrats is that the ideal candidate should check some important identity boxes and excel at fundraising. Anybody who points out that they are taking money from the industries they propose to regulate can be shouted down as merely bigoted. Recent history suggests that this approach may have disappointing results at the ballot box.

        • ga gamba says

          I wasn’t aware the Occupy Movement was an intersectionalist one in 2011 – it’s intersectionalism’s tactics that are behind the present craziness. I thought Occupy was chiefly an economic-based protest, though I wouldn’t be surprised if the intersectionlists wormed their way in to co-opt it. If I recall it accurately, wasn’t the main criticism of Occupy it’s inability to put together anything more coherent than blabbing on and on about the 99%? Does a unified 99% strike you as the Balkanising tactics of tit-for-tat in-house struggle sessions used by the intersectionalists? Reading post-Occupy punditry, I find a common complaint of the movement was its lack of intersectionality.

          Thinking about, I reckon Black Lives Matter was the catalyst for a lot of the other agitprop. Blacks had been shot by police throughout the Obama administration, but it wasn’t until mid-2013, after Obama’s re-election, that this movement appeared on the scene; it was 2014 that BLM caught wind. This aligns with the timeline of Cornel West’s and other radicals’ break with the Obama administration – the three founders of BLM are far-left agitators. The transsexual lavatory access movement also rose to prominence at the same time.

          You’re not wrong that Clinton and her supporters engaged in identity politics, but the Bernie Bro smears were more a late-2015 phenomenon, arising later than other movements, and in response to Clinton’s woes caused by Sanders’s successful attacks on her “progressive” credentials such as hobnobbing with Wall Street bankers. Glenn Greenwald provides an interesting analysis. That said, there were those who asserted Clinton’s failure in 2008 was also due to misogyny. I guess it’s more difficult to make the ism charge stick when the fella too is a member of a group claiming to be victimised by an ism too. Racism trumps sexism, it appears.

          It appears to me Ms Templer was subjected to a criticism-self-criticism (CSC) session to keep
          members unflinchingly wed to the correct line. She was simply a target of opportunity and they opportunist struck. These emerged from Mao’s struggle sessions and were used by leftist militants in the US and Europe in ’60s and ’70s. By targeting and isolating one individual, the participants come together and reaffirm bonds with each other by performing rituals of denunciation. I think this is a reason why statements of support by the victim’s friends including those from India and even her apologies are rejected; the target must be destroyed for the group to thrive. These CSC events are part political trial, part hazing, part shock therapy, part exorcism, and part brainwashing. They reward assertive and even aggressive personalities as well as those who best demonstrate the ability to parrot progressive catchphrases such as “emotional labour”. The victim, who likely hasn’t been exposed to the jargon, is chewed up, her confidence shattered, and she’s unable to defend herself. Anyway, this isn’t about the redemption of the victim; they are to keep everyone else in line, purge any wrong think that may be creeping into their noggins, and serve as a warning. If the victim is offered forgiveness, what’s to stop others from also committing fouls and expecting forgiveness too?

          A few months ago a commentator here posted a link to a fascinating discussion from years ago between Arnold Beichman, an anti-Communist labour union official and academic, and a young revolutionary named Dotson Rader of Columbia University, youtube(dot)com/watch?v=Y6Di10Ng8w8. If you’re attentive you’ll find that the militant was making many of the same arguments made presently. He mentions the break up of the left from a wide national organisation into “affinity groups”, which I understand to be identify groups. The whole point of the revolutionary’s life is to create subversives who will break down the trust between people and their institutions and values – even liberal democratic political organisations like the Democratic Party are institutions.

          Political setbacks, such as the elections of Nixon, Reagan, and Trump, are valuable because it radicalises more people; “Nach Hitler kommen wir” said the German communists in the 1930s. The militant leftist prefers violent revolution to democratic action, and if it takes millions of deaths to bring communism to (East) Germany, so be it.

          “A good portion of the left’s function is the advancement of despair,” says Rader.

          “A strong minority, it doesn’t have to be very large, of the population who are so deeply into despair over the impossibility of change in the system that they are willing to form a revolutionary underground to use any means necessary to bring it down.”

          “I believe in collective guilt.”

          Discussing the achievements of revolutionary comrades, Rader concedes politically there have been few, but culturally, such as in the arts, there have been many. “Our belief is the first thing to change is cultural change before political change. You need to change people’s attitudes toward sex, toward the church, toward education, toward business.”

          “The difference between this generation and the revolutions of 19th century and we’re not interested, fundamentally, in equality. We’re fundamentally interested in justice. Which means we have a greater tolerance for ideas of liquidating a class and so on.”

          Buckley interjects: “As Jerry Rubin says, ‘You gotta be prepared to shoot your mother.'”

          Rader: “I also know I am part of a class, a part of a privileged class, that will be liquidated. . . . It doesn’t matter to me. I want revolution to come.”

          “You [speaking to Beichman] are continually trying to find rationality behind what people do politically, particularly what the left does politically. The thrust of the left is against reason. It’s anti-rational. That’s why it’s anarchistic and nihilistic. It’s anti-rational. The motivation for revolution doesn’t come intellectually, it comes emotionally. That’s why attacking the left with rational arguments doesn’t work. . . . You don’t understand the motivations.”

          “If you’re serious about stopping the left, the way to stop the left is to stop the war, stop poverty, and guaranteed annual income. This isolates the revolutionary core.”

          I think Rader’s cure is mistaken, and may even be offered insincerely. The SDS morphed into the Weather Underground. In West Germany, its leftist revolutionaries, ideological counterparts to the SDS (a German radical was instrumental in creating the SDS’s Port Huron statement) became the Red Army Faction (RAF). Germany wasn’t a participant in the Vietnam War, had few racial minorities, and featured a generous welfare state, yet the RAF was even more violent and lethal than the Weathermen.

          This conversation was held in 1972. Rader had been a student leader of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and organiser of the Columbia student protest of 1968. Today, you get to experience the late ’60s without the fun of the music festivals and the flower children.

          I’ll leave it up to you to find out what happened to Dotson Rader. It may astonish you.

    • bumble bee says

      “I think somewhere around 2015 there was a slippage in reality. Things started going really weird–as if an everyday sort of dream had suddenly wandered off into the surreal.”

      I noticed it as well. Everything was getting jacked up. There were protests in many places, the general attitude was one of division, chaos, and then people began being bullied online and labeled as racists, nativists, xenophobes, and worse. Just as this article shows how people can crawl up someone’s backside and tear them a new one for something as innocuous as discussing a trip, so too did many countless others receive the same treatment. This is where I also noticed how violent, and obnoxious it all was going.

      Then the election happened and they went berserk and put all their energy into labeling anyone and everyone who was not outraged by Trumps election as misogynistic, racists, white supremacists, fascists, it goes on and on. It’s still going on. However, what has happened as well is beyond their occasional rallies, the turmoil that was on the rise has been abated for the most part. We are seeing less, though even one wrongly accused is too many, of those poor people who made a marginal or counter comments on social media who were fired and publicly vilified. I would not be surprised if the money funding these groups to cause social disruption has dwindled or no longer part of the past administration.

      What I do believe is that more and more people are seeing the progressive/alt-left for what they are and will lose their support at each tick of the clock. As seen in this article as well, the left likes to eat their own because they do not know who they are really castigating. Thereby alienating so many liberals who no longer want to associate with their magical thinking of where and what society is going. Even those inexperienced new congressional reps who are desperately trying to make a name for themselves are being taken to task for their naive programs as well as their own racist and bullying antics. I hope that the democrats continue to sink their own boats until they come to realize that you cannot legislate human behavior.

      • George G says

        @bumble bee

        id thought that a lot of this escalating madness was to do with the uptake in smart phones globally combined with social media. parents passing their old phones down to their kids, expansion into Africa and china, the prices coming down over time etc. it just reached a critical mass around 2015.

        • Opossum says

          “I wasn’t aware the Occupy Movement was an intersectionalist one in 2011 – it’s intersectionalism’s tactics that are behind the present craziness. I thought Occupy was chiefly an economic-based protest, though I wouldn’t be surprised if the intersectionlists wormed their way in to co-opt it”
          — Ga Gamba

          Precisely my point. Intersectionalism spelled the end to a popular economic justice movement within the Left. Not just because adhering to intersectionalist rules knee-caps any movement –you try holding meetings and setting an agenda when everybody present is allowed to speak as long as they feel like — but because it precludes the very notion of unifying disparate demographics, through its insistence that it is the differences among disparate groups and not the commonalities that are definitive.

          You obviously have plenty to say about what you view as a rush to Bolshevik-style Communism. I think you’re overstating your case, but that’s beside my point. My point is that these kinds of identity-based mobbing tactics are not associated with any particular economic outlook. And they undercut any leftward movement in the Democratic Party on economic issues, because they take the focus off of economic justice and move it to a more nebulous intersectional definition of social justice which is by its nature is Balkanizing. These tactics effectively hamstring any movement in which they take hold.

          Another reason being Woke is a good fit for the more affluent, middle-of-the-road Democrats, is because it requires mostly symbolic gestures. All that talk of reining in the One Percent was making them really nervous, and they prefer this conversation to that one.

          Honestly, if you’re opposed to social spending (and looking past the hyperbole I take this as the thrust of your political position) then you should be doing a happy dance about the trend towards intersectionalism as the defining ideology of the Left, because so far it has proven to be a poison pill. And we know for a fact that, for example, when Russian trolls want to keep Democrats from showing up to vote, hammering away at the same old demographic fissures is a favorite tactic, presumably because it works like a charm.

    • It was much earlier for me. It was 2012 when I saw the protest of Warren Farrell at the University of Toronto. It was completely unhinged. The reason I stumbled across it was because I had been arguing with feminists on line, and had round that their arguments were highly religious. By this I mean they were based on assumptions and precepts that were not to be questioned, they argued as though they were an obvious truth rather than a rational position, and used moral denunciation rather than objective reason to put forward their ideas. So U could tell something was wrong back then.

      Forward two years and Gamergate happens. The progressives make a bid for power and declare they have the right to determine what is moral in gaming. They do this by racist, sexists, assholes, who are disturbingly unaware of their own moral flaws.

      So if you feel 2015 is when this started you are late to the party.

    • Morgan Foster says

      @Alice Williams

      And knitting with wool is an offense against animal rights.

      • Alice Williams says

        Try explaining all this to the old ladies knitting blankets for the prem babies at their local hospitals or the excited grandmother to be making something cosy for a new arrival. I learned how to knit from my mother who learned from hers and all we ever wanted to do was make something useful or warm. We never realised that we were using our white privelege to lord it over minorities AND be cruel to sheep. Heaven forfend. How wicked we were!

    • Harrison Bergeron says

      “Everything is Sexist. Everything is Racist. Everything is Homophobic. And you have to point it all out.” – Anita Sarkeesian

      Everything

    • muriel says

      Crochet is next. I am guilty of crochet racism. I like to crochet doilies and lace and am ashamed to admit I prefer to make these thing with -gasp!- white and off white color thread.

  27. I’m confused. Modern knitting is a European invention. Aren’t folks with ancestor principally from Africa or South America engaged in cultural appropriation by taking up knitting?

    • Daath says

      Nah. When white folks take up something invented by others, it’s cultural appropriation and they should check their privilege. When others take up something invented by Europeans, it’s cultural imperialism, so it’s privilege checking time once again.

      It can be useful debating tactic to point out how these people use double standards, but for them, it’s a feature, not a bug. What the oppressed do should be interpreted and treated differently from the the deeds of oppressors. The former must, after all, be strengthened at the expense of latter if true equity is to be reached.

  28. Farris says

    Knitting is a vile practice thats termination is long past due. Knitting requires yarn produced from factory farmed sheep. These sheep are often maintained in small pens. At shearing time the sheep are held down against their will and stripped bare, think rape culture. Often the sheep suffer nicks and cuts from the white man’s shears. Sheep farming is largely a practice of white European culture, practiced heavily in Ireland and Scotland. This sheep herding was spread by colonizers to places like Australia. Some native Americans were displaced by sheep farming. Whites have appropriated sheep as a sign of weakness for centuries. Any hobby reliant upon the practice of sheep farming should be abolished by force of law.

    Ms. Templer should have apologized. However her apology should have read, “I’m so sorry my ancestors kicked your ancestor’s ass.”

    • @Farris

      Ahem…. humans began to raise sheep around 10,000 years ago in Central Asia and the production of wool is one of the oldest trade commodities known to humans. Even the Bible speaks of shearing sheep (King David began his life as a shepherd) as sheep shearing began about 3,500 years ago.
      So, nice try at white guilting; it appears you should also be kicked in the ass for spreading misinformation.

      • Farris says

        It’s called sarcasm you nit. No wonder some people are so easily offended. They can’t read.

      • Daath says

        @ Susanna Krizo

        “So, nice try at white guilting; it appears you should also be kicked in the ass for spreading misinformation.”

        Wasn’t it more like… white quilting?

        I’ll show myself out.

        • George G says

          @Daath

          white quilt !

          Bravo that made me laugh out loud at work

  29. I’m stepping into this with much hesitation. I’m one of those social just people. My echo chamber reverberates which the language most of you find offensive. Yours here is what I find offensive. I can see the problem with equating India with another planet, that was the original criticism with what was said. And, things piled on from there. There was no accusation of racism, I’m not sure where that was brought into the “discussion”. There was a lot of piling on Karen Templer and, a lot of piling on in defense of her. If only we lived in a world where these two sides, rather than communicating rather insightful, passionate, erroneous and hurtful thoughts could use this platform to actually create a world that provide justice and equity. There’s an argument here that’s deeper than knitting, we all realize that, right? But, it’s easier to talk about the world of knitting, in trying to make it a more inclusive space. There really is enough yarn for all of us. I have no idea how I found this blog, it’s so outside my realm in so many ways! I probably won’t comment often, but I do hope to read posts every now and then just to give me a new perspective. I’m willing to listen, something IPOC have always done. I hope you’re willing to keep listen as well.

    • Lightning Rose says

      Edi, what the SJW-identified seem to be demanding is that somehow we go back in time and “retract” history itself, “apologize” for the past and somehow make everything even-stevens like our kinnygarden teachers taught us. Only one problem: Time flows forward, linearly. What y’all want is literally impossible. Instead of trying to change the past, work for what YOU want for your own future. You can’t change other people, either. Total waste of your time and the frustration will result in large doses of antidepressants–for YOU. The rest of us go about our lives, fat dumb and happy . . .

    • Andrew Worth says

      Edi: “There was no accusation of racism, I’m not sure where that was brought into the “discussion”.”

      In the comments of Karen Templer’s post Kelly, liz n. and Lauren all suggested Templer was exhibiting “racism”, Alex claimed she was exhibiting “imperialism and colonialism”.

      • stevengregg says

        The problem was that the ignorant firebrand SJW called a simple trip to India an exercise in imperialism and colonialism. This should have been called out for the ignorant slander it was right from the beginning.

        • Jay Hopkinson says

          Exactly. A simple “fuck off, idiot”, rather than lend credence to the bizarre colonialist theory by engaging with it, would have nipped this in the bud.

    • david of Kirkland says

      That “planet” reference is call a metaphor, suggesting India is so far away and hard to get to, like going to another planet. That you think it means India is a barren wasteland with no atmosphere and no life whatsoever is a stretch of your hateful imagination, not the knitter.

      • Dazza says

        You’re right David of K.

        Metaphors are one of the things that make language fun.

        This whole sorry episode is born out of deliberate mis-interpretation of language.

        I’d personally tell them all to go f@#k off and knit a jumper.

        It’s real Monty Python stuff.

    • What a disingenuous farce. If the writer had expressed trepidation about going to Russia or The USA, none of you dumbass liars would have made a peep. Your motivation is to scold white colored people for being normal human beings. Leftists are the scum of the earth.

    • Hey Edi, you should hesitate. This is a free speech zone. So to start things off, personally I believe that all of your ilk should fuck off and die.

      That being said, I hope you learn from your trolling time here. As for teaching us, I would be curious to know how you go about choosing your victims, if you have ever found yourself stymied by a victim that manages to elude the mob’s grasp or simply tells you to fuck off and die? If you can’t do financial damage, what’s your backup plan?

      • benita canova (@benitacanova)

        You are quite the bastard aren’t you?

        • Jin Molnar says

          Benita: I am also (as I somewhat blindly assume that you are) committed to boiling down SJWism to its constituent parts and letting its elements move freely and re-congeal into substances that are more useful to humanity, but to begin an interaction with that kind of vitriol isn’t going to leave much room for dialogue. Perhaps you don’t want dialogue, but speaking for myself, I’ve read a few hundred ant-PC anti-SJW posts that I mostly agree with or an sympathetic to, and I’d kind of like to have a few brave adherents of a contradictory POV to present themselves in the service of refining everyone’s mind.

    • Ship Ahoy says

      The Social “Justice” ilk have nominated themselves those who decide what is OK to think and say and what is not. I WISH going to India were like going to another planet. I WISH it were “other.” That’s the whole point of traveling, is it not? To experience a “different planet”? Thankfully the colonization of India didn’t vanquish its exotic culture altogether. And yes — what is OTHER is “exotic” and there’s nothing wrong with that, especially if you value DIVERSITY.

      It’s the source of a great ache in me that traveling is not the adventure it once was, as everyone starts taking on North American/European cultural affectations. Culturally appropriating, if you don’t mind my saying so. (Wouldn’t you love to knock the baseball cap off the head of that student from China? What “HARM!”)

      What’s even more incoherent about this maligned sense of “justice” is the supposition that another country/culture should NOT seem so different. Nay, it should be seen as “like us” because what SJW’s seem to truly believe is that anything “other” is LESS GOOD. And that’s on YOU. It’s not justice. It’s racism.

      • Jin Molnar says

        Kudos, Ship Ahoy. I was looking for an opportunity to say that travelling to Thailand and having an extended stay there, moving around of my free-will – without a tour-guide or a fixer – was {this has always been the best metaphor for describing the experience} Like Going To Another Planet.
        I think for people from the temperate zones, being in the tropics is like being on another planet. Hence, Karen Templar’s comment using the same exact phrase seemed as natural to me as apples falling from trees.

    • Doctor Locketopus says

      > I can see the problem with equating India with another planet, that was the original criticism with what was said.

      You “see a problem” because you are in a cult and you have a distorted picture of the world.

      Hope this helps.

    • Lizzy says

      Edi, I will pitch in and try to keep in civil and simple

      1. You can’t turn back time
      2. Just because someone has white skin doesn’t give a BIPOC a license to be rude to them or demand they read some book about them and white supremacy
      3. no one owes anyone anything (repeat that many times and life becomes easier, I promise)
      4. you can’t demand people apologizing for the deeds of all other people that happen to have white skin
      5. You can;t change people and demand they do something. No one died and made you God. You don’t rule over me. You don’t get to tell me what to do. Get off your righteous high horse.

      Simple enough? read it until you get it through your head

      • MiaCara says

        Thanks for this. If you want to get somewhere in life, work hard and don’t expect people to kiss your butt and hand you free stuff because you want it.

    • Sydney says

      HAHAHAHA! This wide-eyed, far-left Dorothy-from-Kansas little @Edi is OTHERING the Quillette crowd. Hahahaha! S/he has suddenly found herself/himself in a foreign land, far away from Aunt Em! Oh, goodness, what SHALL s/he do?

      Her/his comment is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Sweetie, good luck finding your brain now that you’re out of Kansas.

    • K. Dershem says

      This exchange was sad but unsurprising. I don’t completely agree with Edi’s position, but her post was honest and open. The responses were insulting and vitriolic. As the comment sections have proven time and time again, Quillette has become an echo chamber for enraged anti-SJW extremists. When I first discovered this site, I had hoped it could provide a forum for thoughtful and respectful discussion of important issues. That’s very rarely the case. Very few commenters seem interested in having real conversations; instead, they’re fixated on expressing their hatred of left-wing identitarians. Oh, well. Now some clever quipster can tell *me* to fuck off and die. So it goes.

      • @K – True That (I to had high hopes for the comment section… you may still find some bright spots on the more scholarly articles here on Quillette)

    • stevengregg says

      I’ve been to India. It’s like another planet, entirely different from the US or anything you would experience here. The metaphor is apt.

    • augustine says

      “There really is enough yarn for all of us.”

      In theory, yes. More than enough. It’s the theory part that gets liberal minds caught up and taken away into wishes, or mandates, for utopian societies. You have to cast aside or want to control human nature to believe that justice and equality are achievable on a constant, universal basis.

      And try tossing a ball of yarn into a room with 30 cats. Humans are no different, in spite of our improvements.

    • Jay Hopkinson says

      “I’m willing to listen, something IPOC have always done”

      That’s some next-level trolling right there.

  30. It’s very odd this ‘sharing’ to a very-wide-audience business. My mother told me that there’s always someone in a crowd that will dislike you no matter what. I was horrified! “Why?” I asked “Are they crazy?” (I think I was 7) “Perhaps” she said “Just be careful what you say.” And so, I share strictly innocuous things to a wider audience, being a ‘white cisgender male’ I know I’m in for it if I stray from “Look at this strange shaped rock”.narrative, I’m in for it.

    • Lightning Rose says

      Why “share” at all? Because a product exists, doesn’t mean one must buy it.

      Just saying “No” to social media is no different than saying no to cigarettes, cocaine or opium.
      Saves a world o’ hurt, see?

    • david of Kirkland says

      I left twitter when actual racists got mad at my posting wishing a Happy MLK Jr Day. Didn’t realize that some hate federal holidays existing while black.

  31. Morgan Foster says

    @Nick

    Find your people, Nick. Your village. Your tribe.

    The man who walks alone does not walk far.

    • Lightning Rose says

      NO ONE is more “alone” than those who claim hundreds of online imaginary “friends.” The enemies don’t exist either. None of these people actually know you, remember? This is madness.

    • Saw file says

      @Morgan F.
      I’m not sure about that.
      I have walked alone, ‘tribe to tribe’.
      Very few problems.
      Granted, I am a anomaly, but it can be done.
      I am ever only accepted part-time, and I can live with that.
      I do laugh a lot…

  32. Still not sure what brought me to this site, but I read various posts because of this “Quillette is a platform for free thought. We respect ideas, even dangerous ones. We also believe that free expression and the free exchange of ideas help human societies flourish and progress. Quillette aims to provide a platform for this exchange.”

    • RadixLecti says

      Thanks for your comments Edi, and I hope you comment often. Unfortunately as Quillette gains popularity we have been seeing more and more unpleasantness as Social Injustice Warriors flock here to do battle with (i.e. vent impotently about) SJWs who barely ever comment on this forum. A curse on all their homes.

      I’m a brown Indian from India and I see absolutely nothing wrong with Ms Templer’s original post. Perhaps because I am capable of understanding idioms and figures of speech.

      Without a doubt I do not speak for any Indians other than myself, but by that same token neither do you.

      Several comments from Indians known to or following Ms Templer seem to take the same line as I do, so do you not feel that the opinions of the people allegedly ‘othered’ matter?

      • Morgan Foster says

        @RadixLecti

        We’re seeing people on the right fighting back. It’s a new experience for many.

        • RadixLecti says

          Morgan Foster,

          I’m all for discussion and hearing the voices of all sides. In this era of lefty madness I’m particularly in favour of reasoned arguments from the conservatives and centrists getting public attention.

          However:

          I feel that over the past few months Quillette had attracted several regular commenters with right wing views who are no more interested in discussion than the SJWs. Hence I call them the Social Injustice Warriors.

      • Stephanie says

        RadixLecti, who exactly is advocating for any form of injustice, except for the SJWs themselves?

        Throwing shade and literal curses at the commenters is disgusting. I hope whatever misfortune you wish on others comes back three times over to you.

        • RadixLecti says

          Stephanie, well just from this article’s comments there’s someone sharing something from returnofkings.com. If ever there was a complete overreaction to radical feminist excess it is that website. I could find examples in the comments on any of the “SJW excess rant” type articles that have been published here over the last few months.

          Why do I hate people like that and curse them? Because they prevent actual conversations from taking place and rush to defend their identity group just as mindlessly as the SJWs.

          Oh and curses don’t actually work. It’s just a way of expressing the strength of my feeling about this. Much like saying a foreign land is as alien as Mars.

          The gist of my position: I detest the identitarian right as much as the identitarian left.

          So you’re welcome to wish me misfortune. If you are one of those who hopes to see some kind of return to normalcy and actual dialogue about difficult topics – which is supposed to be Quillette’s raison d’etre – then more power to you and may your tribe increase, whereever you fall on the political compass.

          • K. Dershem says

            @RadixLecti, I completely agree with you. I’d be curious to know what percent of Quillette’s readers are fair-minded moderates who share a similar view. It’s possible that extreme voices are simply more likely to comment — that’s certainly true on progressive websites with open comment sections, which are dominated by doctrinaire SJWs.

          • Stephanie says

            RadixLecti, that comment stood out because it was so anomalous. Yes, there’s one or two like that on certain such articles, but I have not recognised them as “several regular commenters.” Besides, such commenters have no ability whatsoever to “prevent actual conversations from taking place,” and have no ability to get you mobbed or fired if you disagree with them, unlike the radical left. Hate them both equally if you’d like, but the impact of one compared to the other suggests the proportion of your hatred is forced.

            I wish no misfortune, except to those who wish it sloppily on some ill-defined “regular commenters.” Cursing people is an explicit expression of ill will. If you’d like to “return to normalcy and actual dialogue,” I’d suggest you practice what you preach.

      • stevengregg says

        RadixLecti, you suffer from sanity and therefore can not understand how social justice works. The SJWs will speak for you because they condescend to know you better than you know yourself. To them, your entirely sane and normal comment is selling out.

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  34. david of Kirkland says

    Why do we still call it social media when it’s clearly anti-social?

  35. Lauren says

    Edi, we don’t find your language offensive. We find it ridiculously racist. Probably because we haven’t subscribed to the idea one needs power or privilege to be racist. We are using the actual definition of racism and racist, because definitions matter. (Anyone using the sociologist version has no idea how genocide starts.)
    I suggest you read Jonathan Haidt’s work to understand the underlying moral framework that guides the ideology to which you subscribe, and how it differs from the opposing ideology. Basically, until you realize both sides are speaking different languages, you won’t understand what people here are actually saying. You might think you know what they’re saying, but you don’t. That’s clear from your statement that people here are offended. Sometimes I imagine there is a SJW decoder ring that is used to translate basic statements into a warped version of reality. Like maybe they pass these out during freshman orientation during something that resembles the last day of Vacation Bible School week. Because the ideology of a SJW is religious in nature-there’s no doubt about that at this point.

    Until you read Haidt’s writings, at the very least, you won’t understand anything outside your echo chamber, at least not in the way those on the outside understand it, or how they intend what it is they say.

    I encourage you to give it a good-faith shot. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. (And if you do, you’ll not for one second read anything I’ve typed out here as being offensive, hurtful, or hateful. If you do, you still don’t understand.)

    • Morgan Foster says

      @Lauren

      I’m finding resistance to Jonathan Haidt’s work to be a good measure of ideological rigidity.

      A reflexive sneer at the mere mention of his name is often enough to identify a bigot.

    • @ Lauren

      Please read the Bible.

      But if you just read

      Just give it a try

      You know, just give it a good-faith shot

      YOU WILL BE SAVED!

      • For the record -that’s terrible advice to gain converts. I was doubting my faith before I fully read the Bible. Actually reading the Bible cemented my split from Christianity. Further reading cemented my split from religion entirely.

  36. UnmutualOne says

    As I read your article, I frequently had to remind myself that I wasn’t reading parody.

  37. The clarion call of the sanctimonious bigots of the dipshit left is, “You aren’t allowed think or say that because you’re a white colored person.” Leftists are the spawn of Satan.

  38. Bob Again says

    Is there no interest too nitch to be invaded by these social justice zealots? I’ve been to India, and it was the single most exhilarating travel experience of my life—and yes, the most foreign-seeming to me as an American. To compare it to traveling literally to another planet seems utterly innocuous to me, a bit of understandable hyperbole, since India is unlike any other place on Earth. Indeed, Indians are proud of this fact. “Incredible India” is a beautiful and vibrant place; what a shame that people can’t talk about being excited to travel to a foreign country without being bullied for “othering” the people there.

  39. Knit Wit says

    Why are POC’s engaging in knitting? Isn’t that cultural appropriation?

    • 'notherknitwit says

      the definition of “culture appropriation,” as i understand it, can only be attributed to an oppressor. I’d be surprised if some woke activists didn’t see the knitter(s) as the oppressor(s) appropriating anything/everything they produce that may have been influenced by their travel experience.

      • @notherknitwit

        It can be attributed to an oppressor, but when it comes to knitting, why are the oppressed attempting to assimilate? That’s another no-no for the oppressed. There should be no poc knitters since it’s them assimilating to a Northern culture.

      • stevengregg says

        Cultural appropriation is an argument for ignorance, for rejecting anything from another culture. Everything we do is a product of the mixture of cultures.

  40. Harrison Bergeron says

    But this didn’t hurt nearly as bad as being called a horrible person and publicly denounced by ‘friends’ who I have met in person and built relationships with.”

    These people were never your friends. Better to find out sooner rather than later.

  41. Morgan Foster says

    From the article:

    “Klein retorted: ‘Instead of asking your Indian friends to perform more emotional labor for you and assuage your white women’s tears …'”

    I’ve been seeing more of this from the left, lately; the position that if a woman of color makes an accusation of racism against a white woman, and the white woman asks for an explanation, the very act of asking for an explanation is an imposition of emotional labor that is no different in effect than the forced taking of manual labor from the woman of color’s ancestors.

    The white woman is expected (by the small mob attacking her) to listen to the accusation of racism quietly and not even ask for advice in how to correct her behavior.

    I’m seeing this more frequently: “I’m so tired of having to explain things to you people. It’s not my job to teach you how not to be a racist.”

    Being asked to explain something has increasingly become yet another racist indignity. One more act of oppression.

    I’m not sure how Jonathan Haidt handles conversations like that.

    • Stephanie says

      Morgan, my retort would be “if it is such an emotional toll to discuss perceived racism, why did you comment to begin with? You did it because you get high on feeling superior, but actually justifying your frivolous claim is beyond your abilities.”

    • stevengregg says

      All of this SJW talk relies on fallacious reasoning. For example:
      “I’m so tired of having to explain things to you people. It’s not my job to teach you how not to be a racist.”

      First, this assumes that the question is settled, that the SJW viewpoint is correct. It is not.

      It also assumes, incorrectly, that the burden of proof is upon the accused, not the accuser. It is not.

      Lastly, this is an ad homimen attack. Such insult is the lowest form of argument.

  42. Andrew says

    Respectfully I think the author of this article misunderstands the situation. This is not the inflation of racism, but of inclusiveness, it’s the full scale assault on categorization and individualism. The categorization of oneself in relation to an other or making anyone feel as though there are categories to which they don’t belong is the sin they are punishing. The term “gatekeeping” got popular in the past couple years for this reason, to suggest that there are categories based on culture, merit, race etc is considered inherently evil because “inclusivity” is the cardinal virtue. This is an outgrowth of marxism and leftism more broadly, as they take the metaphor of human equality to it’s radical conclusion, that everyone is absolutely equal and therefor all categorization and differentiation is oppression.

    • @Andrew

      “Gatekeeping” is a biblical reference. The SJW’s camp is filled with ex-evangelicals who can only relate to the world in the way they were taught in the church. “Gatekeeping” comes from the OT when the Jeiwsh people returned to build the Temple in Jerusalem after captivity, and they would fill the holes in the wall by standing there night and day and defend the city and the temple. Anyone who tried to enter was killed by the gatekeepers. The modern reference is to certain peple being the “gatekeepers” protecting those wihin the circle and anyone who tries to get in (with contrary arguments) is doxxed and defamed. These people believe in categories (some and saved, others aren’t) and they believe we’re all different (white people are evil, poc are good), and women, white women, are the cardinal sinners, because it’s what they were taught in the church; had Eve not taken the fruit, we will all still be in Paradise (exept Eve was mmost likely of a darker skintone, but they never talk about that, unless they need it to make a white woman a racist).

    • MiaCara says

      On Ravelry, you can post your pic or not. You don’t have to use your real name or spill your guts about your background. It has never occurred to me that it was a hotbed of racism, lol. As for inclusivity, I buy the patterns and stash yarn I like and don’t interrogate the sellers about their ethnicity or political stances. This bullshit is bullshit

  43. Holly G. says

    Greetings, user knitterotica here. I notice that you have quoted me in your article without any context to my story on Instagram where I critiqued Tusken Knits ties to neo-nazi organizations and white supremist dog whistles. I am well educated in modern anti-Semitism. I have to be.

    I realize that this is a site for free thinkers. Think what you wish. I stand by what I said. There are people who will not change their dogma. There are people will only change their dogma when it affects them personally – usually in their pocket books. From the quote you use, I suppose it could be seen as a call for a boycott as opposed to a statement of my own choice. But, ultimately choice is determined by each person, is it not? Plenty of people have chosen to boycott Nike for supporting Colin Kaepernick. That is the beauty of boycotts. It doesn’t matter if we are conservative, liberal or in the middle. We can all place our money where we see fit.

    On the subject of freedoms, it is my freedom of thought that leads me to brand you a coward. You’ve used a quote that supports your free thinking without context or the courage to engage with me before writing your essay. You called out my user name. Why? Was it to drive people to my account because you didn’t like the words I used? Because I exercised my freedom of thought? Or, because you didn’t think I’d know, thus giving people access to me without more context?

    Free thinking is not the same as critical thinking. Integrity matters. Freedom of speech* does not mean freedom from critique. You have critiqued my expression and now I have critiques yours. I leave you to your freedom of thought.

    *I use this term loosely as in the USA, freedom of speech is only protected in regard to the ability of the Federal Government to stop its citizens from criticizing it. Another essay for another day, me thinks.

    My apologies for any typos, etc. i’m Not great at typing or editing on my phone.

    • Harrison Bergeron says

      You will have to forgive me if I request some kind of evidence or citations supporting your accusations that she is associated will neonazi organizations. I am skeptical of these sorts of claims because it seems that as far as the left is concerned everything to the right of Ocasio-Cortez is neonazi.

      • Doctor Locketopus says

        > You will have to forgive me if I request some kind of evidence or citations supporting your accusations that she is associated will neonazi organizations.

        The SJW definition of “neo-Nazi” is the same as that for “racist”, “homophobe” and “misogynist”, namely “someone who disagrees with a communist about anything whatsoever.”

    • Yes, I would like to see the actual evidence against Maria Tusken too. I saw that IG story by Su.krita, and it was clearly defamatory, which is why I believe it was taken down, along with an equally malicious post. Neither provided a shred of evidence to back up the claims that Tusken has connections with neo Nazis or white supremacists. That you’re prepared to spread malicious gossip dressed up as ‘fact’ says more about you than Tusken.

      As you say, integrity matters. Try acquiring some.

    • Oh @Holly G…. Really?

      “There are people will only change their dogma when it affects them personally – usually in their pocket books.”

      I agree. This modern witchhunt has thing in common with the old one: money. In those days they killed women who were considered too old and nuisances *they would curse people if crossed), or accused a neighbor of witchcraft when they wanted the neighbor’s nicely placed garden or farm. All these people who clamor about poc rights and tell everyone “I have (add name) account, support my work (of posting personal opinions and defaming people in the process). And remember, I do so much work for free here (as if airing one’s opinions on social media is “work,” yeah….)

      So why don’t you go and take a long hard look at that integrity of yours. It seems rather lacking from where I stand (and I see that others agree). And while you’re at it, take this as the critique that you say you so value and appreciate, and find that source that states TuskenKnits has ties to Neo-Nazi organizations. Defamation is still a very real crime (causing a business to lose revenue), and maybe someone here should let TuskenKnits know about her rights to sue you for defamation unless you can provide solid proof of your accusation. The Internet doesn’t protect you from such lawsuits; actually they make them rather easier to pursue.

    • Lizzy says

      Hi Holly
      I am Jewish and I listened to Maria Tusken and the links she provided in the episode. One of them is interview with Jonathan Haidt(a Jew) a leading social psychologist, and another is Tommy Sotomayor(black guy) being interviewed by Dave Rubin(a Jew). I am sorry but I fail to see anything racist or Nazi or antisemitic in Maria’s video or the links she provided. You all are all defaming her.

      STOP THE DEFAMATION!

      You know what Nazis do? Like real Nazis? Read Nuremberg protocols instead of your BS “me and white supremacy” crap. Read what the actual white supremacists did in the 1940s! It’s much more informative than some bogus book by a failed mystic Layla Saad. Educate yourselves, Do the actual work.

      They burned people in the ovens, slaughter entire villages, they kill Potts diseased kids when they are in their still tied to their device-beds by gassing them in a car. They ran experiments on twins, they ripped children of their mothers arms, they fed rats newborns in Auschwitz. Too scary of a reading for you? You all forgot what Nazis are and what they did.

      STOP THROWING THE WORD NAZI AROUND. It’s disrespectful to people like my family and possibly yours. It’s disrespectful towards anyone who actually suffered (and by suffered I don’t mean snubbed in a yarn store).

      Just because someone is BIPOC doesn’t allow them to throw the word Nazi around. Nazis did most of their crimes towards other white people. STOP THROWING THE WORD NAZI AROUND.

    • Morgan Foster says

      @Holly G.

      “I use this term loosely as in the USA, freedom of speech is only protected in regard to the ability of the Federal Government to stop its citizens from criticizing it. Another essay for another day, me thinks.”

      I hope you offer such an essay to Quillette. I, for one, am looking forward to it.

    • Lightning Rose says

      Actually, my dogma got run over by my karma, long ago. But anyway . . .

      This is becoming a highly entertaining thread about, basically, *nothing.* Like a Seinfeld episode!

      The lady said she was looking forward to a delightful trip to India, and some frootloop claimed that’s raaaa-cissss. Great entertainment!

    • You mined her followers and found a user who had a rune in their profile. You drew a line from the use of the rune by the SS to her. I appreciate you having watched Hitler and the Occult in Amazon Prime. It’s a very informative series. But did you stop to think how your condemnation of the use of runes would be hurtful and inflict violence on your pagan followers?

    • Stephanie says

      Holly, in such a long comment, how did you manage to fail to actually support your position? You have offered no justification for the original post you “stand by,” except a totally unsupported ad hominem attack. Why couldn’t you spare a sentence at least to explain? Integrity, which you claim to value, requires at least that much.

      You have critiqued nothing, because there was no substance to your comment whatsoever. Try again, with evidence this time.

  44. I remember other micro-agressions of my youth. Some of us studied ” non-western sociology”. These students had to do part of their study in a third world country. Also then (albeit not yet internet and social media), there was quite some vivid discussion on how to behave and see things there, what to do and not in those nations. However, in that time, it was not the otherness that was seen as wrong, but the sameness. So, to think that men and children there sometimes were hungry, was wrong, it was a western way of seeing, a western look, because what you thought you felt in your situation was not how they felt and saw that. I remember the reaction of a rather naive, western professor, by arguing that hunger was not a cultural, but a fysiological thing. This was not appreciated by the cultural anthropologists among them. Incomprehensibel maybe. Even now, I can’t scarcely believe this really happened.

  45. I’ve been part of the knitting community for several years, but I’ve been so disgusted by what I’ve seen done to Karen Templer and Maria Tusken that I’ve pretty much withdrawn from the whole thing. I can’t get past the level of vitriol and snark I’ve seen on social media, the lack of critical thinking skills, the sheer mindless groupthink by so many. Yes, the fibre community has been too skewed towards white faces, and yes, we could do with a wake-up call to look harder at diversity, but not by crucifying someone for writing a blog post about wanting to go to India, then vilifying the person brave enough to stand up for her.

    I’m also appalled that many of these detractors are doing very nicely out of this, and not just social capital. Su.krita and others are actually asking for donations, and have been making tidy sums through ko-fi.

    I’ve been left wing my whole life, but I can no longer endure a mentality that leads to this kind of mob behaviour, and which will not tolerate any kind of discussion or dissent. I find it incredibly depressing that so-called intelligent people are willing to endorse this kind of bullying, while pretending it’s in the name of fairness and progress.

    • @AvaM

      It’s all about money, it always has been and always will be, since the movement is distinctly American. The rest of the world doesn’t see the issue in the way US SJW do, and they are appalled by what they see (I’ve been following a few South African bloggers on the subject and they reject most of what they hear).

    • Sydney says

      @AvaM

      “…the fibre community has been too skewed towards white faces, and yes, we could do with a wake-up call to look harder at diversity…”

      Is it the responsibility of “the fibre community” to recruit non-“white” people to its ranks? No. Have fibre programs and groups been actively and systematically discriminating against “diverse” people? No. Every nation on earth has known what to do with fibre since the dawn of time. If “the fibre community” gives in to the SJW totalitarians it will regret it.

      The left destroys whatever it touches: fibre arts included (just look at those stupid fucking pussy hats on the WM morons).

    • Same here. The whole thing has been kind of horrifying to watch. It was never, ever, a “conversation”. Calling it one did not make it one. And wow if I ever wanted to actually get involved in the online knitting world myself, this event has killed that thought dead. Never ever ever in a million years.

    • stevengregg says

      So what if the knitting world is white? Is there anybody stopping black women from knitting? Do we have goons stationed at the doors of yarn shops to block black women from buying knitting needles? Is there some barrier on the Internet that stops black women from visiting knitting websites? If black women want to knit, they’ll knit. If they want to visit knitting websites, they will. It is not your duty to recruit black women to your knitting circle. If they come, they come. If they don’t, they don’t.

      • MiaCara says

        Of course not. If you look at Lion Brand’s site, you’ll see plenty of black knitters and minority models and teachers. The whole “inclusivity” cry seems like extortion

  46. It’s not knitting that is too white, it’s snow. Mother nature is clearly discriminating against poc by sending H2O in the form of white fluff in the Nordic countries intead of translucent water and causing people to knit to keep themselves warm. Climate change will take care of, so horray for all polluters!

  47. jimhaz says

    As people are having no or fewer children they are replacing this loss of direct mothering and feminised fathering by acting out these roles in social media -on behalf of other people based on whatever seems most trendy.

    Why am I not surprised that the knitting world has its want-to-be mums nagging others to conform to their parenting ideals.

    The sad part is that people with online based business more or less have to conform or go broke, so they succumb to the madness of the stickybeak types. All it would take is for 20% of people to resist and they’d be safe.

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  49. Lizzy says

    Oh and yes, I agree…it’s about money. They don’t need to even do anything, just making money of ko-fi for their “emotional labour” and the brainwashed liberals are all bowing to them. Never mind that 99% of white people have nothing to do with owning slaves. Never mind that their own kings sold them. Nevermind that the Moores enslaved half of Europe at one point. All of that conveniently forgotten. If you have white skin you owe them. Ko-fi for life.

    In the knitting community it’s hard to stand out, so they are working their angle however they can. Real racism exists but you don’t fight it by bullying and harassment. They cries for attention is not about racism at all, it’s about attention grab and a way to promote their patterns, yarn and fibre. That’s it folks, move along. I am glad people are leaving IG. That leaves them alone to scream at each other.

    • Anonymous says

      Darn good question. Unfortunately, it’s been building up for a long, long time, going back to the 2000s.

  50. Morgan Foster says

    I never suspected that the knitting community harbored one of the most virulent infections of social justice horror in America.

    • Me neither. I was talking to my son about it, and he said he wasn’t surprised at all, and that the knitting community was ripe for this to happen. It’s had a massive revival in recent years, with lots of graduates from art schools getting into it big time, making a good living out of hand dying and designing patterns.

  51. This was a huge and very bewildering event; it unfolded over the course of a couple of weeks. I was really disappointed to see people, starting with poor Karen Templer, falling all over themselves to appease the mighty su.krita and the others. I have an Instagram account I use to follow some yarn shops, knitting designers, wool producers etc (knitting fandom, you might say) and over the course of about three weeks every single account almost without fail weighed in on this “very important conversation”. But it was not — it never was — a conversation. Anyone who stayed silent was eventually called out as being part of the “silent majority”; there was huge pressure to make some kind of Grand Statement and to promise to “do better”. Staying silent was as good as praising Hitler. One account that I follow is a design duo of two women, one in Scotland and the other in Canada (I think). They model all of their own patterns personally, but still felt the need to offer an apology for the lack of diversity in their feeds. Because they post pictures of their white selves, modeling their own knitwear designs. Later, after a NYC knitting convention, a POC knitter claimed she wanted to go to NYC but decided not to because she “didn’t feel safe”. After all, “53% of white women voted for Trump. How many of them were at that convention?” Had she not witnessed the weeks and weeks of self-flagellation coming from every single white knitter on IG? Lastly, in an effort to “do better”, a lot of white knitters began following POC knitting accounts they hadn’t been familiar with before, perhaps out of genuine desire to broaden their feeds: this was dismissed by one POC knitting account as “white women seeking comfort”.

    The whole thing was extremely frustrating to watch. It came across like people wanting to be victims, looking for offense (and then overreacting hugely to said perceived offense), and demanding apologies from white people for being white. Karen Templer was scolded for not thanking people for “educating” her. It WASN’T a conversation. At all. It never was. It was incredibly creepy.

    • I am so relieved you’ve had a similar reaction. For a while I felt like I was going mad, wondering how people couldn’t see what a travesty of any kind of justice this was. The sheer nastiness of it. The way they tried to take down people like Kate Davies and Kristy Glass. Every single podcaster praising Sukrita and her gang. It’s completely ruined the community for me, even though I know Maria Tusken is right, and that most people observing this and saying nothing are equally bewildered or disgusted by what they’ve seen – if, indeed, they’ve noticed it at all, as not everyone follows the bigger accounts.

      • Amy H. says

        The really frustrating thing is that it’s impossible to challenge the dominant narrative — you can’t ask that one knitter, wait, are you really saying you don’t feel SAFE at VKL because … white people will be there? Should I feel the need to apologize to you for that feeling? If so, why?? At what point is this my problem? Is it possible you’re being irrational?? — asking any of those questions would mean bringing down the mob upon one’s head and being branded an irredeemable racist. Sukrita is a bully, full stop, and it really looked like the end game of some of these people was to get white people to apologize for being white. I do wonder how many people who put our canned statements are just cynically trying to avoid the cricitism themselves. When their livelihoods depend on social media engagement, I can’t blame them at all for their response, but it’s still really discouraging. I kept being reminded of Havel’s greengrocer and the “workers of the world, unite!” sign. And I think a lot of people turned into Sukrita’s toadies themselves out of natural self-righteousness and a desire to lord moral superiority over other people. It was amazing to me how mean people felt free to be.

      • A.H. (same as above) says

        Oh, and everyone now falling all over themselves to make this one sock pattern by a “BIPOC” knitter — not because it’s a good sock pattern, but because it’s a way to virtue-signal one’s anti-racism. WOW this is the BEST sock pattern I have EVER SEEN! (I also notice that “BIPOC” is pretty exclusive — black and indigenous? What about Hispanic or Asian? honest question, really, I’m not trying to be sarcastic.)

  52. Well, the overtly racist knitting community has obviously been pulling the wool over the eyes of a lot of people! 😉 This is so f*cked up– a perfect example of progressifascists on the march. The only cure is vigorous resistance and ridicule and outing the trolls.

  53. Jezza says

    Hallo there, pilgrims! I sense a vein of dissatisfaction in this essay and the comments arising and I feel compelled to offer some sort of comfort to those of you in distress. The key to a happy life is STOP TRYING SO DAMNED HARD TO BE GOOD. You don’t have to be. You’ll never make it that way. I know many who are jealous of my colour (pinkish, with a few brown spots) and prostrate themselves before it in awe and trembling. They believe ALL people who look like me share my attributes. Treat them with kindness, for they know no better. They will never be your equal. Embrace your superiority, don’t apologize for it. You will meet, as you travel on, people of other races who have abilities superior to your own. You will also find some you thought superior (including, perhaps, yourself) to have degenerated. Abilities wax and wane. It’s the way of the world. You may find some practices disgusting. If you think homosexual behaviors are dirty, dangerous and degrading, don’t apologize. Be true to yourself. I suspect I shall be labeled a Nazi racist homophobe rapist oppressor but I don’t care. If you think that, you’re wrong, you silly person. I shall offer no further advice just in case you take it and deprive me of the amusement I derive from watching you blunder about bumping into walls. I hope I’ve offended everybody.

  54. Sydney says

    There was a knitter from someplace deemed “white”
    who said she was excited to take an exotic flight

    She was swiftly trolled by the Totalitarian SJW Knitter’s Club
    They scorched the crafty earth leaving no social-media shrub

    They schooled and re-educated like good little Maoists
    flaming yarn and knitting needles hoisted in their girly fists

    Funny how these SJW crafters self-appoint as the Knitters’ Oppression Police
    As they oppress, enslave, and exploit sheep; and daily steal their fleece.

  55. Morti says

    The main problem is giving in and apologizing to them. They NEVER accept it and your apologies are NEVER good enough. Instead, they sense blood and double down on you until you just crawl to hide from them and disappear.

    If you apologize or even try to explain yourself you HAVE ALREADY lost to them and you HAVE ALREADY accepted their moral superiority over you. You HAVE GIVEN them the right to judge you.

    This is how SJW’s win. By everyone’s consent, thanks to everyone accepting them as judges.

  56. Kate Babbitt says

    This blog post is a perfect example of the white racism BiPOC have been talking to us white people about. Accept that you’re deeply entrenched in white privilege and that you’re deeply, deeply racist. Then start doing the work. And stop using your platform to encourage other racists to speak.

    • Your comment is a perfect example of the failure to understand what anyone here is talking about. No one here has endorsed racism or suggested that POC knitters should be treated as inferior. What people are discussing is how this ‘conversation’ started, and what the effects might be.

      Accept you’re deeply entrenched in critical race theory as expounded in books like ‘Me and White Supremacy’, and do the work to understand that many people believe its ideology is flawed, and that it is not the most effective way to deal with racism. And stop using your platform to be so patronising.

    • Andrew says

      You’re excluding black people from people of color? And “indigenous” peoples? And you refuse to even capitalize Indigenous, as though to extend your colonizing obsession with apple products to the dehumanization of displaced peoples. Also how dare you use the term “indigenous” as though the displaced first nations of north “america” are animals that can be classified as such. And btw the use of “white privilege” entrenches the historically ignorant and racist/bigoted/homophobic conception of whiteness as a valid category to be used as such.

    • Morgan Foster says

      @Kate Babbitt

      I’ll tell you what I accept.

      I accept that you’re a perfect example of the kind of white bourgeois progressive who cannot be reasoned with because reason has never been your goal.

      • stevengregg says

        You can not reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into. That’s why SJWs are immune to reason.

        • And what about you? Are you also immune to reason? I don’t get the impression that most commenters here are open to a genuine discussion…

    • “Do the work” code for re education camp. Telling people to google and only read approved books. Try “1984”. Don’t break yourself.

    • Sydney says

      @Kate Babbitt

      Shocked to see the degree to which your comment is an example of someone who has genuinely drunk the Kool-Aid. Please start reading material about cults and how to free your mind from them. Read about Mao and the Cultural Revolution. You’re scary.

    • Guywholifts says

      Kate,
      The vast majority of people living in India and leaving their country to come to the USA for the first time would find it utterly alien. I’m not offended. You know why? Different places and people have different cultures. And those cultures seem strange to people who didn’t grow up in them. That’s not racism or othering, it’s like walking into a big building where you don’t know your way around. Only an utter jackass would find that offensive. Too bad so many people are being taught to be jackasses instead of thinking.

    • If we are white racists, what does that make Sukrita? She after all has organised a knitting event for POC only……does the word apartheid mean anything if it’s white people who are excluded?

    • Defenstrator says

      Sorry, sarcasm doesn’t always translate well on the internet. Were you being facetious or did you actually mean that stupid thing you wrote?

  57. Saw file says

    @AH, thx
    I am in a industry that is work/$, contractual agreement product
    ie: REAL world.
    thx

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  62. The witch hunt is still going on by the way. They’re going after a Scottish designer and trying to get her no platformed from a knitting festival in Edinburgh. #canceledinyarnfest was the hashtag used just yesterday on Instagram. They really try to ostracise those who do not follow the script and confess their sins for all to see. How this may be affecting people’s business I don’t know, but I understand why many may be frightened for their livelihood when this sort of thing happens.

    • I can’t find anything under that hashtag. Do you have a link? I expect it’s Kate Davies they’re after – they’ve had their sights on her for a while.

      • Sorry, I misremembered, it was #edinyarnfestiscanceled. It came up when I looked under #katedaviesdesigns. Do you know why they’ve had their sights on her?

        • I ask because I have difficulty believing that it is only that she wouldn’t write the right “apologies” on IG, but I suppose for some that is more than enough for them to “cancel” someone, as I understand they like to call it.

          • I think it’s exactly that. She evidently had problems signing up to the full-on mob culture, so they turned on her. It’s sick, and they know it. Some have gone quiet, but others are just doubling down and trying to pass KD off as a racist for refusing to get behind calling her fellow crafters racist.

  63. scribblerg says

    All these “radical SJWs” are doing is taking seriously what their humanities profs taught them. They have the moral courage to act on the values that are being projected into our society today.

    The real question is where did these maniacs get these values? Easy answer: Humanities professors and academics of the Left who have sought to inculcate every U.S. institution with West hating, White hating and revolutionary class and race politics to bring down our “empire’.

    That people here miss this is an over 100 year long project by Progressives and radical Leftists is their real victory. After 100 years of their evil work, not a single commenter here properly identifies the root cause of this madness.

    Even sadder? Many here merely subscribe to soft form of the totalitarian idiocy and vicious politics of the Left. I saw numerous throwaway lines dismissing things like “casino capitalism” – what juvenile idiocy.

    I’m coming to believe Quillette is merely a place for confused people to virtue signal or vomit up their conflicted, muddled worldviews. I read the comments here and am just sad. The Left has won so completely that they’ve made it impossible for most Westerners to think clearly.

    • Thanks for the empty complaint that gives no examples of what you may think the problem is, Unstructured and general complaints are just so convincing.

  64. Allen Farrington says

    The retort from Alex Klein made me laugh out loud. “Don’t listen to your Indian friends. Listen to me, entitled white guy, who fairly recently adopted a moral framework on race that exists exclusively in the West. I alone can explain what is offensive to Indians.”

    Also, as a fellow Edinburgher, I think the author brought this on herself by going to, of all bloody places, ‘her local yarn store in Marchmont’. Had the same line been uttered in Gorgie or Leith, the response would rightly have been a smack in the face.

  65. Lesley says

    It seems that the people who self-immolate because of this kind of criticism are mostly of a similar political mind to the people committing the criticism. I guess I’m lucky in that I don’t rely on advertising on the InterWebs for my livelihood and maybe that means I lack perspective, but it just seems like these kinds of attacks are laughably easy to, well, laugh at and dismiss.

  66. Andrew says

    So…. I get that this woman was mobbed on social media for somehow being insensitive to how her post might make a person feel.

    But I have another question based on the headline about marketing knitting “less white”: what exactly is preventing non-whites from taking up knitting?

    And a couple of questions for the “equality” advocates: should society establish and enforce quotas by race/gender/(dis)ability for knitters? Will you all be happy then?

    Asking as an able-bodied cisgender Caucasian male who could give two shits about arts and crafts.

    • Lightning Rose says

      Here’s the thing: I don’t believe ANY writer, from the beginning of time, has been or can ever be held responsible for “how her post might make a person feel.” What I write, what I say in conversation, what I wear and how I drive might create any possible spectrum of “feelings” in any other individual–including some who are wildly mentally ill. In what way can I be held responsible for that? How can anyone know ahead of time what someone looking really, really, hard for a “micro-aggression” might conjure from even the most innocuous statement?

      I decided long ago I’m not responsible for anyone else’s “feelings.” Those are a product of their internal world, not mine. Life is SO much simpler this way.

      Let’s return to Maturity 101: Don’t like it? Easy–don’t read it, watch it, listen to it, eat it, or drink it.
      But nobody appointed you to decide what the REST of us think or do. Capice?

  67. Robert Niles says

    A woman ( could have been a man) tries to share her enthusiam (could have been depression) but gets bulldozed ( could have been a car) for her excitement about her much (or not so much) loved India (or could have been Mars. If you can’t understand that this women’s piece was about India, opportunity, and genuine excitement. We cannot (read will not) examine every word and syllable we propose to express save we offend some hyper-excitable person itching to fight over anything, but especially over their pet grievance – their life.

    • stevengregg says

      Just like when you give a small boy a hammer, he will find that everything needs hammering, if you give the idea of social justice to ignorant boobs, they will find everything racist.

  68. Robert Niles says

    Oops … if you can’t understand etc., then maybe it would be safer (or not) not to comment.

  69. Hamilton sunshine says

    Just ignore the ‘Offense Wombles’, they want to fight. It feeds into their superiority complex.

  70. Hereward says

    If any white person thinks this problem will be solved by beseeching everyone to become an individualist they’re deluded.

    The re-establishment of an unapologetic white identity is the only thing that can resist this.

  71. Stephenitisok says

    I feel like I also should write something deep and meaningful, but what?

    Have visited Edinburgh a couple of times, great city for a stroll.

  72. Arthella Argofanta says

    It’s the dopamine hit. The eyes dilate, the nipples get hard, the mouth waters. They can’t wait to pounce. They get off on it. There is not one iota of caring in the woke white women for BIPOC. They get off on taking and destroying. I was on board when the discussion was about being more inclusive and busting the clique mentality. But when it became a litany of pre written statements, reading lists and bowing down at the altar of systemic racism I bowed out. They are telling people to Google for crying out loud. Su.krita and her Sukrittite Army are bullies. They have not changed any one. And the woke white women are getting off in the new power structure they have created in the name of ally-ship. Everyone sees it but them.

    • Yes, exactly. I am all for an actual conversation about representation and diversity (POC cover models, etc). This is not a conversation, this is an aggressive blanket application of critical race theory and if you don’t have an IG story posted of you with your copy of that white supremacy workbook you’re actively supporting racism and discrimination. Further, if you don’t give a financial donation to the top five bullies (I’m sorry, “important voices”) and post on IG imploring others to do the same then you need to be cast out of society. I’ve been discouraged but unsurprised by all of this.

  73. Asenath Waite says

    This sort of thing is always sickening to read about. Also, I don’t really understand this big anti-colonialism thing that’s so hip and trendy with the kids today. Without expansion of territories to bring larger numbers of people under unified systems of governance, humans would have just remained in small tribes and great civilizations could never have developed. I can see being critical of the way conquered peoples have often been treated by the conquerers, but it seems like colonialism itself, in the sense of territory controlled by one group of people being taken over by another group of people, is basically the entire history of human civilization. It’s brutal, but it’s in literally all of our ancestral backgrounds so no one is exempt from this original sin of being a “colonizer.” Can we just focus on how currently-living individuals treat other currently-living individuals in the current day? One place to start would be not trying to destroy people for saying completely innocuous things on social media.

  74. EVA-04 says

    The only way to really and truly stop this is to criminalize it. If you’re accused of racism, you need legal recourse. Either sue the accusers by name and force a monetary settlement, or change the libel laws and charge the trolls with violating your civil rights and if they’re found guilty take away both their property and their freedom. Repeat until freedom of speech is restored for everyone.

    The law has not caught up to the actual damage done by such trolling, but it needs to. Ultimately as backbones stiffen and people realize they’ve not alone in being wrongly accused and start fighting back, the other side with escalate this social war with something worse than trolling. You can fight this war now or you can fight it later when it gets worse, and unimpeded it will get much worse.

    • I totally agree. I hear Tusken is thinking of suing, probably Sukrita. I really hope she goes for it.

      • cajaci says

        These stories are so frustrating. For once I wish someone would successfully call out race hustling for what it is. It certainly has nothing to do with social justice. I’m particularly impressed with how the SJW knitting mafia blow off the actual people from India.

        Defamation lawsuits are very expensive and rarely worth it in the long run. However, they actually can be taken up in small claims court, either hers or wherever the defendant lives. Google +”small claims” +defamation There’s a cap on damages but that’s not entirely the point.

        Very inexpensive approach.

  75. What bugs me is that anyone who grew up in India and had never traveled would find the US like a completely different planet. I don’t see how that’s racist or bigoted at all.

    • Asenath Waite says

      @Ben

      Good point. It’s not racist or bigoted! The woman was talking about her own experience as an outsider looking at a very different culture from her own. I would expect anyone to have a similar impression of cultures that are foreign to them regardless of which culture they themselves are a part of. And furthermore, she looked at these cultural differences only with positivity. Her statement was xenophilic rather than xenophobic.

  76. Kristy Glass of Kristy Glass Knits hosted a video meant to open the discussion about race among herself and friends. The Sukrittites pounced and stated she should have started the camera and LEFT THE ROOM so the BIPOC folx had control of the discussion.

    • @Arthella

      They are becoming more open about their goal to silence white people (and I guess to get rid of them from all power structures). At least we can now talk about their racism without the conversation becoming completely convoluted (which it is anyways).

      • Lets not forget that many of these people who want to silence white people, are white people. I’m still pondering their motivation, beneath all the virtue signalling and self-flagellation. It’s not compassion for poc; if you’re a compassionate person, you don’t mob and vilify people in the way they do.

        • cajaci says

          Some think they will receive an invitation to the kool kidz backyard BBQ, not realizing that if raging anti-white racists wanted them for friends they would already be hanging out in the pool. Others just play along because it’s easier, they don’t want to lose out on sales or damage their “brand.”

          Knitting!

  77. About this user Klein, attacking designer Temple for suggesting that her enthusiasm for India sounded as contemptuous, as if that country was a completely ” other” place: there is a factory in Holland where a special colourful dress, kanga, is made for export to West Africa. Half of all the women there walk around in these dutch made clothes with african ornamenting and symbols, nobody in the NL wears this (except maybe some black woman coming back from Nigeria or Ghana). Every half year, some designers of the factory fly to Africa to learn more about the trends, new tastes and appreciation there, and consequently return to mass produce some new designs.
    I wonder whether many African , or even Dutch ladies know about this foreign industry (exotic for both), and all that designing and production going on (above their heads), and I wonder whether there is still a large unexplored market for Klein/Temple style discussions , contempt and stigmatising. The media for it certainly exist now!

    • Just because I,m interested for having worked in Africa (but who am I?), I dived further into it. The material (from the Vlisco firm) is not called kanga (the East African name), but pagne, loincloth, and the symbols on it are stuff for anthropologists. The six bougies are the most famous design, meaning, the woman wearing it has much power, can have 6 men. The second best is a hen with a lot of eggs and pullets, and a cock’s head. What does this cock’s head mean? I wonder! But, you men, better hide!

    • Honestly, this is making me lose the will to live. Someone compared them to ‘literal Nazis’. Another described their words as ‘violent’.

  78. Years ago I was on the nursing staff of a hospital that had a few crabby older nurses that I refer to as the “rhymes with riches.” They made life hell for the younger, prettier and more capable nurses, who didn’t know how to handle their attacks. They left me alone because, on the rare occasions when they attacked me, I returned verbal blow for verbal blow. That mattered. Hassled by those ‘rhymes with riches,’ those new nurses made mistakes that put kids lives at risk.

    Nasty people derive pleasure from making you miserable. Laugh at them and point out the folly in what they’re saying. Suggest that they need to calm down and “get a life.” You might also suggest that, in their bitterness and anger, they unlike most of most of those in their culture—that they are a disgrace to their home country.

  79. “Your post upset some of my friends who aren’t white [and] who didn’t grow up in America,” – I guarantee that this bitch has no friends who aren’t white and no friends who didn’t grow up in America. In fact she probably has no friends at all.

    • Whatever says

      Yeah sure just throw person attack to someone you don’t even know.

  80. cmcrawford says

    So glad you wrote this! Instagram
    is my happy place and I post crochet and follow crocheters. I heard allusions to this but did not see the posts in question. So now I know. Some of my Instagram feed was infected with (I assume) white people’s prostration, but I just unfollowed the culprits. If someone’s work is good enough to follow I will follow it unless they get political. I have Twitter for that.

  81. Skallagrimsen says

    “…you compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet–how do you think a person from India would feel to hear that?”

    Well, considering that there are 1.3+ billion people in India, I for one would expect a wide variety of potential emotional responses.The implicit presumption of the interlocutor here seems to be that all Indians think alike, which seems kind of racist, if you ask me….Anyway, if I HAD to guess how the average Indian would feel, my guess would be: about as distraught or offended as I’d be if I heard that someone from Gujarat or Rajasthan had compared an upcoming trip to NYC or Seattle to going to another planet.

  82. D. Shrute says

    Witch hunt exactly! A modern Salem witch hunt. All whites are called racist until they ‘admit to their racist sins’ and beg forgiveness. The ones that say they aren’t racist and never have been are hanged. Socially speaking anyway.

    Whites arent automatically racist because they are white. Accusing someone of that makes the ACCUSERS racist, not the accused.

    What makes these people think this is the way to end racism? It creates more at the end of it all.

    • -It creates more at the end of it all-. As did the politics of desegregation! All with good intention, but it never worked.

  83. I was banned from Arne & Carlos’s Instagram for making a snarky remark about racism /inclusion/diversity in knitting. My first sarcastic remark was taken totally seriously, so I upped the ante with some snark. Banished!
    Arne & Carlos were probably smart to go along with the nonsense or they would be the next target.

  84. Anyanka Eph. says

    Wow, a woman wrote how she was dreaming to travel to India and some man who decided to read a post on a -knitting blog- of all places who came across that post decided to throw his own shit on it. Really, only an imperialist racist would think that comparing a long awaited trip to India to another planet is a bad or derogatory thing. If that’s the first association your brain throws at you, what the hell must your head be filled with? Spit-spraying random negativity?

    What’s in your own head is what you see around you after all. The man needs help because one must be an unhappy person to create out of nothing such an avalanche of negativity. It is nothing more than bullying online. And he did bully her into apologising for something HE implied. Karen had to apologise for the racist thoughts of some poster. What a joke. Way to go in supporting bullying online people.

    And if your nervous system is so fragile that a far-off metaphor about other planets makes you think of racism… There are mental health professionals. Maybe they will help. But it is probably not recommended to read anything online for such a narrow mind set. Both for the online community and the ‘imperialist’ poster’s mental stability.

  85. Katie says

    Not only a poorly written and poorly researched piece but a horrible account of what actually happened. I hope you are at Edinburgh Yarn Festival and I hope you make yourself known to me (I’m the one organising the solidarity meet up on the Friday – I’ll be pretty easy to spot) so I can tell you in person all the reasons why you’re wrong.

    • I’ve watched the whole thing, like the author, and it seems a pretty accurate account to me. Doesn’t endorse your narrative, no, but then one point of the article is to point out how other people aren’t allowed to disagree without being called names. And I hope you realise your suggestion to the author reads very much like a threat.

    • cajaci says

      Is this the yarn festival where actual knitters are engaged in classy stuff like deplatforming and attacking other knitters? Will you be demanding that the author stab out her own eyes with knitting needles or simply that she surrender all assets to the marvelously inclusive-only-for-us knitting BIPOC/extortion community in exchange for protection.

      Let me guess, you’d like to get a photo so you can turn over to the social justice goon squad for some doxxing action? That way besides ruining reputations and small businesses, you could get at some families, maybe even threaten someone’s children as “inclusive” people do nowadays.

  86. Haleigh says

    At one point it was written that the outcry of BIPoC in this ongoing conversation is “just a power grab”. My response, as a white woman, is: of course it is–a much NEEDED and IMPORTANT transfer of power so that ALL people have equal opportunity and a sense of value in this world, that be in the knitting world and beyond. To make a statement that “…the world of knitting can return to a focus on designs, colours, and the value of something that’s unique and handmade, rather than the nationality or race of whoever made it…” wishes to silence the outcries of these people who are crying out, people who are crying out because they have been hurt. This silencing, I am fully convinced, is an act of racism. Dear author, please please please do not turn a deaf ear to the outcries of those who are making their pain known! Please please please hear their messages and practice empathy.

    • Lesley says

      You should read some Soviet/Maoist propaganda some time. It might be informative.

    • If we should be responsible for our own feelings, why should we not be able to expect the same standard from others?

      I’m willing to listen if someone can provide solid evidence of material harm. The cries of “there are no faces like mine in the fiber arts” are easily refuted for some of the groups yelling the loudest. Have they really not heard of such superstars of the knitting world as Eunny Jang or Cookie A? It’s coming across as sour grapes from some of the less-successful personalities.

      • MiaCara says

        Then these lazy women should develop a skill, or submit patterns and articles instead of whine like babies. I love Euny Jang BTW, she’s the reason I joined Bluprint

    • MiaCara says

      Of course it’s a power grab. If they had any patterns to sell they could compete in the market like the other sellers and get recognition for their talents. How have they been “hurt”? Why should I have empathy for these bitchers? They can work on patterns and articles and try to sell their product like any one else. If they want to learn to knit or improve their skills they can join a guild, take a class and practice. They can experiment with color and texture. Essentially they want to be handed the fruits of others labor and extract a fee for bitching

    • cajaci says

      As a white woman worried about, “outcries of these people who are crying out, people who are crying out.. blah blah” (oh my dear god) How on earth do you reconcile blowing off the comments of brown people from India who had no problem with what Templar wrote in the first place?

      A bunch of imperialistic American white and brown ladies all insisting that what they imagine people from India to be saying is more important than what actual people from India had to say.

      The whole martyr thing is such an ugly look. I hope the brainwashing wears off and you can enjoy your hobby without the narcissistic baggage of pretending that what you make is really all that important. It’s not.

    • Thrash Jazz Assassin says

      ??

      As someone who actually has a mixed ethnic background, which happens to include India, I completely failed to see what was so hurtful, or any substance to the claim of displaying a colonial attitude in the original piece by Templer. What I saw instead, ironically, was guileless joy and excitement at the prospect of experiencing first hand, and learning from a culture very different to her own, shot down and stomped on by a verbal punch to the guts, entirely ignorant of its own contradictory, blind and insensitive attitude, clothed in faux-righteousness. The claim she was ‘othering’ would be laughable if it didn’t so clearly annihilate her enthusiasm, and in effect ‘other’ her.

      I’m all for a world without racism, and have been on the receiving end myself more than once. But this extreme policing of language and divisive and ironic emphasis ‘colour’ (who is really doing this so-called othering?) only serves to entrench, project and perpetuate the issue.

    • What you have to understand is that that while you may believe it is racism, it’s not. You ignorantly attributing it too racism does nothing but annoy other people with your unjustified self righteousness. You are not the good guy. You are the one supporting a racist power play to have worth in knitting decided by skin colour rather than accomplishment. Please stop.

  87. Maribel Felix says

    interesting how one sided this article is. The author makes no reference to the neonazi commentors that came to defend the “victims” and subsequently attacked the bipoc via dm and youtube videos Where are the neonazi quotes that were allowed and liked by some of these “victims”

    • Again, where is the proof that Maria Tusken is a neo-Nazi? Do you have any actual evidence for this? I’ve asked quite a few people for this and not one has given me any.

      • Maribel Felix says

        I. DID. NOT. SAY. THAT. I said there were comments by neo-nazi on those posts/threads and many of the owners of those pages were liking and accepting those messages and, they then went to various bipoc pages and sent vile, violent & threatening, racist direct messages. There’s no mention of that here. None of those quotes made it into this article.

        • Asenath Waite says

          @Maribel Felix

          What were the comments by the neo-nazis that Maria Tusken liked? Did she know the people were neo-nazis? How do you know they were neo-nazis? What is your definition of a neo-nazi? Also, someone else commenting on her blog after she has been mobbed for no legitimate reason does not excuse her having been mobbed for no legitimate reason. The story is the mobbing of Karen Templer in response to a completely innocuous statement, not random people of questionable character who might have commented on it after the fact.

          • Maribel Felix says

            the story is twisting a situation where bipoc spoke up about feeling marginalized in the knitting community, not just about the one or two incidents involving Tusken & Templer. This started before that. and i never said it was Tusken who liked the neo-nazi comments. i said it was the owners of those pages (meaning pages other than Tusken & Templer) who liked and allowed those racist/neo-nazi comments. My definition of neo-nazi is the same as google. GIYF Also, the issue is much deeper than just the erasure/tokenism experienced by bipoc. If you look at a lot of knitting pages, it is mostly a sea of white faces, nary a bipoc in sight and if so, it’s one usually very light skin poc. It also referenced incidents where bipoc were either ignored or harrassed (followed) in yarn shops (for fear they were there to steal), which rarely if ever happens to non-black folks. So this wasnt just about trying to get a fair share of the piece of the pie (which is not an unreasonable expectation). It was about representation vs. erasure/being ignored.

        • There’s no mention of it because there’s no direct evidence of it – journalists don’t generally make things up. If you have evidence, screenshots or can simply point us in the direction of these abusive comments, then I’d be interested to see them. Otherwise it’s just hearsay. I’m asking because I’ve been keeping an eye on Maria Tusken’s video and I haven’t seen a single instance of the kind of behaviour you describe.

          • Morgan Foster says

            @AvaM

            This begs a question:

            If a Nazi rescues a dog from being neglected and abused and people write comments thanking him and criticizing the dog’s owners, do they become Nazis?

        • MiaCara says

          Did you see the direct messages or are you just running your mouth and attempting to destroy someone?

        • The Kindly Libertarian says

          PLEASE stop telling people to Google. It is not unbiased. Like telling people to go to Wikipedia. For crying out loud read some books. Read the great thinkers, philosophers. Read some Sowell. Read anything but this recent trash which is nothing but an extended tweet. Question everything. Good Lord have they stopped teaching people to ivestigate for themselves, using reputable sources or is that all “racism” too? What a bunch of emotionally stunted people. Heck, read the Constitution. Google it.

    • cajaci says

      YOU. DID. SAY. THAT.

      The article mentions that Tusken came to defend Templar. You write, “neonazi commentors that came to defend the “victims””

      I had no idea illiteracy was so rampant in the knitting community.

    • Lizzy says

      @Maribel
      Can you tell me which neo Nazi accounts Maria liked and which quotes she liked? Or are you relying on su.krita’s feed?

      • Maribel Felix says

        I dont think I ssaid Maria liked neo nazi accounts & if i did it was in error. I do know there was another account where a bipoc asked (respectfully i may add) that it would be nice to see more people such as herself (bipoc) represented as they too are big consumers/customers and that person & anyone who agreed with her/he was attacked by other commentors (silencing comments, not overtly racist (still bad)) and then the neo nazis somehow got wind of it and started chiming in and the page owner liked those (neo-nazi) comments. My point was just that this article is very one-sided and doesn’t show that the what the persons calling for more equity suffered. It only points to anyone being called out as “victims.”

        • The Kindly Libertarian says

          Please list the Neo-Nazis. We want names. A full investigation is required.

  88. Leone says

    This is an awful article. People are talking about their pain at the blatant racism and the microaggressions that happen every single moment and all you can do is clutch your pearls and cry out for the privileged? You are trying to silence marginalized people so that you don’t experience any sort of discomfort. Step back, read with a heart that is aware of the travesties of racism freaking everywhere in every breath of life, education yourself, and then read some more. Honestly.

    • MiaCara says

      I hope this is a joke. How are people “marginalized” in the alleged “knitting community”? Where are these “travesties”? You sound like you’re the pearl clutcher and opportunist
      4

    • cajaci says

      Leone,

      Perhaps you are not aware that the microaggression theory has been debunked as a bunch of fragility enhancing BS promoted by the grievance studies industry? Victimhood-seeking pearl clutchers are the epitome of people who feel wounded by microaggressions. If anything the concept of microaggressions infantilizes black people.

      Since I’m not full of intersectional baloney, try the 2017 research article by Lilienfeld “Microaggressions: Strong Claims, Inadequate Evidence.”

    • Bexta says

      Lol is this satire? I have been following this whole shameful episode and can hardly believe how disgustingly the SJW knitters have behaved. Maria et al are the victims here. There never has been an issue with racism in the knitting community. Knitting is, by its very nature, inclusive and easy to get involved with. This is clearly all about money and stealing customers away from hard working business owners who have put the effort into building up their businesses. Sorry but this nonsense doesnt wash with me (and many others in the knitting commnity too!).

  89. Bill B says

    There exists a sad class of humans who live in abject fear that somewhere, someone is having a better time than they are. This is “not fair”! So they do all they can to suck the joie de vivre from others.

    • MiaCara says

      I think people who haven’t bothered developing their own minds, or in the case of knitting, their own patters to sell, want a piece of the income pie…something for nothing

      • Lizzy says

        It does feel this way to me as well. Many of these vocal activists are promoting their own products, yarn, patterns and fiber and their business is befitting from all this. Oceanbythesea went from 1.5K on Instagram to over 20K and her updates sell out in minutes now!!! That’s a great marketing! Does she care that it’s at the expense of sucking he joy out of people lives? Of course not, any means are justified to her.

        Su.krita herself sells fiber in her etsy shop, tina.say.knits and dawn.landix are designer who no one previously followed or noticed. Now all the big names in the industry are following them.

        Color me jaded but I think it’s clever marketing and a piece of the pie. And then there is endless ko-fi. All in all these people are profiting nicely from all this at the expense of taking other (often competitor) businesses down.

        • MiaCara says

          And competing in the marketplace is the name of the game. Some just do it with guilt tripping people into buying their products, which are fairly run of the mill. It is knitters’ own fault if there are any “big names” in the first place. They only make money because of the publicity they get from linking with sites like Bluprint or Ravelry. The same nonsense happened with quilting, but it appears to be fading a little. Hopefully, knitters will come to their senses and realize that they are being ripped off by fake “designers” and by the $30+ dollars per skein movement. It’s pretty silly to pay $200 for yarn for a shawl you’ll use once or twice, but then that is the goal of any luxury market. If these people really cared about inclusion, they’d remove this sort of economic hierarchy.

  90. Asenath Waite says

    Looks like some Fibre Cult members found this thread.

  91. MiaCara says

    I am sick of this sort of nonsense. There is no “knitting community”, just people who knit for a variety of reasons. Most of the designers just crib from Barbara Walker and try to get money off you. There is nothing new under the sun with knitting, except yarn, and even yarn has its trends.
    I do not believe that anybody is being excluded and this microaggression stuff is tiresome and irritating. If people have a good idea for a project they can take it to the marketplace and see if it takes off, if they don’t, they can’t expect everyone else to be so fascinated by them. As for their “cries of anguish” I’ve never heard such unadulterated hog manure in my life!

    • Of course Miacara, not that damned exclusion, inclusion is the name of the game now. Hurrah!

  92. As a Martian, I am deeply offended by this comparison of my beloved planet to India. A plague on your houses, you Earthling chauvinists.
    – Marvin the Martian

    • Morgan Foster says

      @Stephen Walter

      Speaking as a descendant of Venusian victims of Martian oppression, I am offended by your colonialist privilege.

  93. MiaCara says

    If Templer wanted her “year of color” to be about colored yarn, so what? Only a sleazy opportunist looking to make a buck off “racism” would act all stupid and offended.

  94. MiaCara says

    Here it is, shaming people for cash! “Instead of your “year of color” being about wearing brighter clothing, why don’t you make 2019 investing in contributing to people of color, buying their art, listening to their podcasts, following them, contributing money to them, buying literature written by POC.” If their art is any good it will sell without this bullying. Contributing money to them? They can get off their asses and work!

    • The Kindly Libertarian says

      They know it works. For many whites being called a racist brings the same level of horror as being called a child molester. They know it, they take advantage of it. Pure evil.

  95. Sherry says

    All this stuff where people are stretching as far as they can to find some sort of racist remark by a white author is such crap. I am so sick of this bullshit and when ravlary or facbook groups attack like dogs is horrible. Go back to your knitting.

    • Don’t get sick of it Sherry, learn to enjoy it, there is always some trend and feeling underneath, a leaning towards the good, the wanted, the new stream, but don’t take it too serious, that’s never good.

  96. Mal O'Justaid says

    Thing these mindless drones haven’t figured out yet is what is at the core of what they are doing is actually a kind of masked white supremacy, mixed with guilt, in the form of a saviour complex, where they feel they need to speak out for all these poor helpless victims, because they are somehow superior and in more of a position to do so. Even people into fkn knitting have been infected by this virus of puritanical bullying under the delusional guise of social justice. ffs.

    Saddest is, this all stems from outdated post-modern theories from half a century ago, and it’s just now starting to become the mainstream ‘master narrative’ (yes, ironic, what would Foucault say?), so does this mean this new cultural revolution still has a way to go? It seems people become possessed by it and incapable of seeing how far it’s gone until it’s turned on them personally.

  97. Edward Quigley says

    Mr. Klein asks Ms. Templer: “Multiple times you compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet—how do you think a person from India would feel to hear that?”

    I can assure Mr. Klein that any Indian, indeed, any human being who has longed to do another place whether because they imagine it different or exotic, would answer: Please do come. This is a wonderful country, and we want to show you our culture.

    This is just common sense; this is how most people actually understand the world, whether the destination for an American is India or a new hiking trail 14 miles from their home. But what I find truly odd is why Mr. Klein feels, believes, or thinks his understanding of how how the thoughts on this matter of actual Indians, like the ones Ms. Templer mentions, are invalid, why his are valid?

    Think of it: Mr. Klein, who is not Indian, is offering an evaluation that purports to be more valid than the people who are supposed to be, but are not, offended. This arrogance is typical of Leftist thinkers. They are right, others are wrong, even to the point that when the offended don’t feel offended, they too are wrong! The Left’s understanding of the world cannot be wrong, after all. How can it be wrong? They learned it in school, from teachers and books, and this special knowledge is pure. Everything else is a social construction of reality–except their Theory of the World. This is pure, you see, always right, never wrong, and it ought to be the theory of everyone, even harmless knitters.

    Such is the totalitarian imagination. That it is not what people actually encounter every day of their lives, in every social interaction, makes no difference to the true believer. If the telescope does not show Jesus trailing behind a comet, the telescope is faulty.

    How unfortunate that Ms. Templer apologized in the face of such a bully and his accomplices.

    • To SJWs going to a foreign (gasp) land, eating the food, marveling at the architecture and taking pictures with the people is a grievous, racist violence done against the fragile, unsuspecting nation. Tourism is racist.

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  101. E Noel says

    To conflate what Mr. Klein said with some formuation of “The Left” is the kind of otherism that is tearing the 1st world apart. I don’t agree at all with what he said and also don’t agree with Ms. Templer’s apology (or her feeling that she must). But, you have weaponized my political feelings, and defined my ‘understanding of the world’ directly from your voice. You cannot do that. Just as wrong as what Mr. Klein did.

  102. By now it must be realized that “white” is a proxy for something that woke progressives detest, or else they would not be openly wishing for it to be suppressed from being visible in the culture. But a proxy for what, exactly. I want to suggest that it is the vestiges of what used to be commonly called White Anglo Saxon Protestant cultural values of hard work, restraint, self-sufficiency and honesty. These values were carried to America by the founding colonists who were by far majority Protestants from just a few areas in Europe. These values were shaped in large measure by Protestant Christianity and thus reflect values that are gained by reading the Bible.

    Now, woke secular progressives loath and reject these values and anyone who holds them is a carrier of plague who must be quarantined from the public square. We find that now such people are no longer suited to be federal judges. At least that is the impression one gets by watching recent confirmation hearings.

    So, what kind of society will replace that of the founding culture as the last carriers die out? We will soon find out.

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  104. I cannot believe the level of hatred we have for each other. Please don’t pretend you love anyone while hating someone else so intensely. There is no hope of solidarity as long as we treat each other this way. Intolerance is intolerance For the record, I don’t have a side here.

  105. Taylor says

    Most of the comments are coming from people who have never picked up a pair of knitting needles, and it shows. The knitting community has changed dramatically over the past 15 years or so, thanks to young, diverse, and urban crafters who brought a fresh aesthetic and substantial cash flow to the industry. Thanks to them for throwing out the old stereotype of the elderly white granny working away at an acrylic monstrosity that would never see the light of day. Now the hobby attracts young professionals who can afford $30+ skeins of hand-dyed yarn. Maria Tusken and the rest of the backwards frumps need to realize that if you want this type of modern customer, you need to appeal to modern values… Sorry, but your customer base does not consist of close-minded conservatives. They by $5 yarn from Hobby Lobby instead. It’s not bullying to refuse to buy from people whose values you find repellent.

    • Taylor says

      White person definition of “victimization”: customers aren’t buying my product anymore because they disagree with my values and they’re telling their friends about it on Instagram. The world is so unfair!!!

    • As a useful rule of thumb, you can pretty much guarantee that if a comment is full of snarky insults such as ‘backwards frump’, it’s from someone from the progressive left. What you fail to have grasped is lots of the people who’ve objected to this kind of online mob culture are themselves from the left, just not the kind seeped in identity politics and a call-out culture. Enough with the ageism and boring stereotyping about knitters, please. Plus would you call Kate Davies a ‘close-minded conservative’?

      • MiaCara says

        Well said. But two can play at their game. I avoid SJW patternmakers like the plague. Their work is usually full of errors and you have to spend time searching the errata sheets online. AND they usually just rework a pattern from Barbara Walker’s books, assign it a new name, and seek money and admiration for something they do not properly attribute to someone else. I would encourage all knitters to seek out the Walker pattern books rather than pay some jumped up “designer” far more money to get a smaller amount of the same product.

    • MiaCara says

      The $30+ skein necessity is what makes people at the lower ends of the economic spectrum feel unwelcome in the alleged “knitting community”. If you really want the “disadvantaged” less white knitters to feel welcome, you should drop the snobbishness. I suspect comments like yours will drive people away from the hand-dyed small batch crafters yarn, as they will not want to buy from snobbish cretins whose values they find abhorrent. Since this BS started, I go out of my way to check into the views of designers and small suppliers, I systematically avoid the SJW people.

    • The Kindly Libertarian says

      Your comment marginalizes conservatives, whites, poor people, the elderly, minimum wage workers, blue collar workers and those with wool allergies. This is astounding. Disgusting. Many cannot afford anything but acrylic, seeing your ilk has stripped brands like Cascade Yarns as a quality option with an excellent price point, due to “racism”. You lack humility, compassion. What a pretentious snob. 30 dollars for a skein of speckled garbage that bleeds all over itself the first time it’s washed, a muddled mess. You exhibit some of the most repellent values I have ever read. I hope you are very young and have time to reflect on the pure hate you just posted here.

      • MiaCara says

        Brilliantly stated. Many people can’t or won’t spend such a fabulous amount, and acrylic is the perfect choice for cancer patients and babies too.

  106. Lequisha N Caccavale says

    I personally find the bullying not necessary and doesn’t help towards the conversation. That being said, freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. It’s is very disheartening to default get upset because BIPOC are asking for more representation as if there’s a finite amount of representation.

    • The Kindly Libertarian says

      No one was ever upset about that. Everyone got upset when it turned from inclusivity to apologizing for being white, being a secret racist, acknowledging everything from dirt to stars as racist and the grossly biased reading requirements.

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  108. Sonyah Lopez says

    Sounds like a cult.

    There’s nothing dumber, than white bitches telling other white bitches how to behave.
    Nawww.
    We are inclusive as long, as you think like us!!
    Conservative? Ur the fkn devil. Nevermind.

    More Alisnky tactics ensue.

    And my ancestors migrated from Chile for this? 🤣😃😂😅

    How Instagrating.

  109. Toocowardtopostinmyownname says

    Thanks for this great article.
    Sick to the bone of being called White privileged. I always thought of myself as world-loving and non racist but this whole “discussion” is turning me into a defensive person…
    Quite the opposite result of the ond intended think I…
    And I work in the yarn and knitting business….

    • It’s not while privilege, it’s white conditioning. A conversation shouldn’t make anyone feel defensive, unless they have something to feel defensive about.

      • The Kindly Libertarian says

        If you react to being called a racist, neo nazi, or at your business being destroyed, well then, that’s White Fragility.

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  114. It’s official — SJWs aren’t even really political anymore, they are just looking for excuses to make people miserable.

  115. What’s being forgotten & completely ignored is the subject of racism. However the conversation started is not as important as doing something about the problem. Not ignoring the problem like it doesn’t exist & not blaming the people that it is happening to.

  116. Julia says

    Checking the Tuskenknits site. Interesting enough, all her yarns are sold out except one.

  117. AliRadicali says

    I can’t be the only one who sees the irony in ultrafeminists behaving like stereotypical catty high-school mean girls *in the the name of intersectional feminism*.

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  121. I have refrained from commenting on this except once. I agree with your article, I wholeheartedly disagree with bullying tactics from any person, group, or cause. I took objection on Ravelry to the disparaging term “whiteness”, which is just as racist as the rest of it, and my post was immediately deleted. Racism against whites is allowed and encouraged these days, and don’t dare disagree 🙁 So although I have no business to worry about, I’ve stayed out of it, aside from unfollowing quite a few people on IG. I’m not racist, I have friends of all color and my business goes to whomever has product I want to use, has decent prices, and good PR practices. I have also, after a good deal of research, mostly finding unhelpful and expensive databases to download, I found a simple solution to saving all my Ravelry projects, it will just take time and work to copy it all over into Evernotes, which I can access from phone, computer, or tablet. Once I’ve completed transferring and copying everything into Evernote, I will delete my Ravelry account. It is not friendly to anyone who disagrees with Upper Management on any subject. And the people I thought I had made actual friends haven’t been too concerned with my disappearance from the forums, so. I’ve moved over into weaving more than crochet these days anyway. And weavers certainly come in all colors and cultures, too.

    • Anonimoose says

      It’s terrible you’ve had that experience on Ravelry.

      I’m with you. People are people. It’s pretty cool you shared your story.

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  123. ”Instead of asking your Indian friends to perform more emotional labor for you and assuage your white women’s tears, maybe do some reflection on how your equation of India with an alien world reinforces an “other” mindset that is at the core of imperialism and colonialism.”

    What the hell. Someone actually said that? This sounds like satire. Are people insane?

  124. no hobby is safe from SJWs and their rabid mob who lacks any sort of reading comprehension. If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like nail

  125. Carolyn Field says

    Don’t apologize. Don’t engage these trolls.
    If you do, you are only encouraging someone who is looking for a fight, to bully and harass you.

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  127. Ryder spearmann says

    I’ll say this as directly as I can, and *everyone* should please take note: *******THE****** problem we face in the western world… yes, singular is *****ACTIVISM*****. Notice that almost every insanity you hear about in the news is ultimately due to activism in some measure. Minus activism and activists… the world would be a much nicer, tolerant, quiet place.

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  129. Go ahead Templer. Knit your way through to India. I am an Indian and I don’t find anything objectionable in your original post.

    • MiaCara says

      Exactly right! You sound like a lovely person

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  131. Wow! All I can say is … WTF?!! Is there any doubt in my mind of the wisdom in remaining anon online? No. This is insanity that truly rivals everything I’ve read about the Chinese Communist revolution and in Russia. Of course no one is being sent to camps (yet!), but is there any question that this isn’t the direction so-called “Progressivism/Intersectionality, etc.” is going? The seeds of this ideology have completely taken root and will likely never be irradiated.

    I have people whose incomes depend on my business’ continued success — and these people care very little about politics, are NOT white and “privileged”, and certainly don’t need to be rescued by some upper-middle class white kid in the US who has embraced Socialism out of pure ignorance. Do these mobs of SJW’s every stop to consider how many of the people they’re trying to “save” (cough cough) they actually screw over when they attack someone’s business?

    Once you get out off the ridiculousness of the far-left in the Western world, there is a whole world of non-white people who simply can’t comprehend the insanity of the concept of “cultural appropriation”, etc.. They don’t spend their days fretting over the “Colonialization”. And 99.99 percent of them are not the least bit interested in SJW’s being their “saviors”. Just give them the opportunity to succeed and they will make the most of it.

    These SJW types seem frantically in need of someone — *anyone!* to “save”. Unfortunately they’re in no way self-aware enough to recognize what they think is a virtue is really just a mental illness.

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  133. Sadie Slays says

    NEVER APOLOGIZE. The social justice mob wants only one thing: destruction. No amount of apologies will satiate them. They won’t stop no matter how much you apologize. Fight back.

  134. Driven Out of LGBT says

    What an overall sorry tale. A perfect example of how this is a mob activity – as soon as one person seems it “problematic” (a dog whistle term if ever there was one), people actually change their opinion. This is most definitely a power game. The solution is always to give “people of color” (another abhorrent term that creates a racial binary) more money, more profile, and more power. Seen it across so many subcultures – atheism, gaming, comics, etc. It’s self-righteousness mixed with self-indulgence and self-interest.

    There never is any winning. Bullies are relentless once they have set their sights on you. There is no logic to the social justice religion, except who the sinners are and what the sin is. If knitting was culturally Asian instead of European, this would be a discussion on cultural appropriation. The original author on the post to India explicitly states how her anxiety disorder made travel halfway around the world seem impossible; yet, this is ignored by the mob. In other circumstances, ignoring her anxiety would be deemed as insensitive and ableist. The rules are always manipulated by those seeking power.

    As far as I see, there is only one solution – stay off of (or share less on) social media. For those who earn a living through it, I’d say it’s about sharing less. Sadly, making their channels less personal is the only way to *possibly* prevent the mob. But ultimately, any channel that gets too much influence will be attacked.

    I looked forward to when the current wave of identity politics wanes…as it does through every cycle. The downside is how far the pendulum ends up swinging in the opposite direction.

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