From 2015 to 2021, Rich Logis devoted his every waking hour to Donald Trump’s Make America Great Again movement. In his interview with Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay, he explains why he finally came to question—and then fully reject—what he now describes as his “cult-like” infatuation with MAGA. Logis also details his plans for a new organization that will help others leave the movement, and reconcile with estranged non-MAGA friends and family members.